What is this thing we call a guru?

[Joseph Maynor]

What is a guru?  Who becomes one?  Is a guru a moralist?  Is it Egoic for the guru to try to help others?  Does the guru stunt their own growth by spending so much time in language and illusion?  Does one need to be brought to awakening through the doorway of illusion?  And if so, isn’t that the guru’s task to help people with that process?

Edited February 22, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[TheEnlightenedWon]

What tasks could a guru possibly have?

[Ether]

@Joseph Maynor A guru is a concept. It doesnt exist in reality. Look at your hand. Does the word "hand" exist?

Does any word exist in real life? No. We just utilize them to guide ourselves.

[Joseph Maynor]

2 hours ago, Ether said:

@Joseph Maynor A guru is a concept. It doesnt exist in reality. Look at your hand. Does the word "hand" exist?

Does any word exist in real life? No. We just utilize them to guide ourselves.

How about this one:  'Guru' is a word and/or vocalization.  What do you make of this?  Am I wrong?  

Edited February 22, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[Ether]

@Joseph Maynor Yes. Look, we can call things words, thats fine. Just dont go and call yourself negative or positive terms, cuz they both create suffering.

[Joseph Maynor]

A guru is person who is willing to knock people out of their ignorant complacency for their own good.  It’s not necessarily pretty work.  And the guru is not always loved.  Not if he’s doing his job.  Sometimes the guru has to accept being hated.  But what drives the guru is to help others see the truth.  And he will do that no matter what the resulting outcome is.  That’s the calling of the guru.  He’s not selfish with truth.  He feels compelled to share it.  He wants to help others see what he sees.  Why?  Because it’s the truth.  Truth is not relative.  Only thoughts can be relative.  Truth is not paradoxical.  Only thoughts can be paradoxical.  The guru is the one who makes right distinctions on these matters and then can guide others without confusion.

Edited February 25, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[Torkys]

On 2/22/2018 at 7:51 PM, Ether said:

@Joseph Maynor A guru is a concept. It doesnt exist in reality. Look at your hand. Does the word "hand" exist?

Does any word exist in real life? No. We just utilize them to guide ourselves.

@Ether I feel you are using one little insight to put everything else into place.

The word "hand" exists as a mental sound and an image, but words don't do justice in explaining this.

The statement "Thoughts are unreal are false" is a thought itself. This in itself is a thought, so this is all self-defeating.

And thoughts do affect your experience. This is why awareness alone is curative. Awareness adjusts the map to fit the territory which causes otherwise unwanted behaviors to be recognized thus eliminated.

Edited February 25, 2018 by Torkys

[Ether]

@Torkys Its not a thought, its a fact

[Torkys]

1 minute ago, Ether said:

Its not a thought, its a fact

This itself is a thought and a special pleading to this belief of yours

 

[Ether]

Just now, Torkys said:

This itself is a thought and a special pleading to this belief of yours

 

Every thought its a thought.  But some thoughts are about facts. And facts are true