the vast majority of the source of information about enlightenment is not free.

[Patang]

the seed was sown and began to be absorbed in the soil, now is the time to nourish it again. this is the third dose. 
i just waited for the first (and the second, but not mandatory) doses to be absorbed, before i am giving you the third one. 

so, here you go.

enlightenment is mostly perceived worldwide by the human society, as a branch in spirituality, and as an esoteric belief. spirituality is merely a belief in the dream state, when enlightenment is just outside the dream state. people got used to the idea that it was possible to make a living from spirituality, and it was a legitimate way of earning a living.

the vast majority of the source of enlightenment information can not be found in the public free access domains, due to copyright ownership issue. you see, the legal owner of knowledge or content, who makes a living from it, do not want his "golden eggs" to vanish. this is a fact, not an opinion.

i personally prefer that this kind of knowledge, sort of speak, would be free and accessible to all, and should not be the source for human income. livelihood is provided by a rule of the game. maybe, those who do make a living from it, do not believe that this rule ever existed, and fear crept into their hearts.

but, there is room for everyone, to live and experience life, as it is perceived by each of us.

Edited February 17, 2018 by Patang

[Prabhaker]

39 minutes ago, Patang said:

i personally prefer that this kind of knowledge, sort of speak, must be free and accesible to all

Osho books free download

http://www.oshorajneesh.com/osho-books-free-download.htm

Osho audio discourses 

http://www.oshoworld.com/discourses/audio_eng.asp?cat=All

[Patang]

@Prabhaker thank you very much. you see, my journey began just after my visitation at osho's international meditation resort in pune. back then, in one of his talks during the evening meetings, he spoked about "the art of listening". he said that it is not really matters what is been said, but what is been perceived. the point is, that in order to master the art of listening, you have to read between the lines, to resonate with the message, and to see what it is doing to you. from there, i took it far, far away from my wildest dreams...

Edited February 17, 2018 by Patang

[Neo]

Patang, you know about meditation, can you tell me what happened to me here. Firstly, I am the busy guy with no time for meditation, but I contemplate all day long and work alone. This one time I decided to contemplate "Who am I?", eyes shut. But I decided I would like not my brain to ask this question, because brain is basically ego right? Well I kept trying to ask "Who am I?" without any conscious effort, pushing it to the sides of my brain until the question kept being asked without any effort. I could feel my self going into a relaxed meditative state. The question started to change to a muffled mumble, a cross between another language and an animal noise, but the question kept being asked. (Or had it become a Mantra at this stage without intention?) After about 5 minutes I started to feel tired, bored and then sick, I wanted to vomit, but I figured this was resistance from the ego, so I kept going. Then finally when I opened my eyes I had a ball of energy in my pelvis and it was moving right up and down my tummy / back bone to my neck area and back down rapidly, so powerful, up and down, the most amazing thing I had ever experienced. Do you know what it's called? I've heard of chahras is that it? Although I say I don't get much time for meditation this prompted me to continue. 

Edited February 17, 2018 by Neo

[Patang]

@Neo okay, i can see very clearly what was your experience about. when you continued to ask "who am I?", and tried to get to the bottom of it, the ego entered its state of alert. when that did not help, another strategy was chosen, to delude you with an illusion you are familiar with. by doing so, it tried to satisfy you, make you feel content, and divert you from revealing your true nature. nevertheless, keep asking "who am I?" and watch what is happening inside, continue watching your thoughts and feelings, until there is silence, and you can feel the stillness within you. then, and just then you can drill down and get to the bottom of it.

[Neo]

wow very interesting! Not the answer I was expecting!

[Neo]

You don't think it was just that I slipped into the wrong "kind" of meditation there?

[tsuki]

On 17.02.2018 at 9:31 AM, Neo said:

But I decided I would like not my brain to ask this question, because brain is basically ego right?

@Neo You decided to let your mind go, and now you expect an answer that can be accepted by the mind?
That's a no-no. Keep going. Trust yourself.

[MiracleMan]

My opinion here, I would be weary to suggest spiritual information be free, I mean it like this:

If Eckhart Tolle didn't sell shit tons of books and promote his "brand" so to speak, I might not have ever even heard about him.  Spirituality might be even more obscure if people couldn't get published on a platform that can reach the mainstream.

The problem with having free content is the method of distribution.  Selling your product is a much better way to get your information to as much people as possible.  This is generally how our society works, and why a lot of spiritual teachers write and sell books, it's also a lucrative business, and it's not always a 100% honest and sincere effort, yeah there are people out there just trying to cash in on a popular product, but this is hardly limited to spirituality.

Some of the best spiritual teachers also sell their teachings and try to make a living this way, a lot of teachers quoted on this forum make their living or a portion of it from their teachings.  I don't honestly see anything wrong with this so long as it's honest and it's clear what is being sold. 

There are pros and cons to both forms, free and paid.  A con would be that spiritual seeking can be fed, like an addiction, people desperate for answers and money at disposal can spend lots of money they have no business spending, and it can go on for a long time.  Anyone else want to weigh in pros and cons?

[starsofclay]

On 2/17/2018 at 3:31 AM, Neo said:

Patang, you know about meditation, can you tell me what happened to me here. Firstly, I am the busy guy with no time for meditation, but I contemplate all day long and work alone. This one time I decided to contemplate "Who am I?", eyes shut. But I decided I would like not my brain to ask this question, because brain is basically ego right? Well I kept trying to ask "Who am I?" without any conscious effort, pushing it to the sides of my brain until the question kept being asked without any effort. I could feel my self going into a relaxed meditative state. The question started to change to a muffled mumble, a cross between another language and an animal noise, but the question kept being asked. (Or had it become a Mantra at this stage without intention?) After about 5 minutes I started to feel tired, bored and then sick, I wanted to vomit, but I figured this was resistance from the ego, so I kept going. Then finally when I opened my eyes I had a ball of energy in my pelvis and it was moving right up and down my tummy / back bone to my neck area and back down rapidly, so powerful, up and down, the most amazing thing I had ever experienced. Do you know what it's called? I've heard of chahras is that it? Although I say I don't get much time for meditation this prompted me to continue. 

basically, you did this:

https://www.aypsite.org/13.html

except you did "who am I", instead of "I am" (ayam).  Read the whole article (or at least from halfway down), it and their website will explain a lot. Somewhere on there it talks about how you have to take it slow because you are clearing your nervous system out and can experience sicky feelings if you don't pace yourself. It may be under the spinal breathing article, which will talk about that feeling of energy rising from your pelvis to throat (and beyond)

Edited February 20, 2018 by starsofclay

[Faceless]

Forget about enlightenment and learn about yourself. Discover how you work psychologically and be honest with yourself...You are you own source. Read and learn the book of yourself. All you need. Right???

[starsofclay]

18 minutes ago, MiracleMan said:

My opinion here, I would be weary to suggest spiritual information be free, I mean it like this:

If Eckhart Tolle didn't sell shit tons of books and promote his "brand" so to speak, I might not have ever even heard about him.  Spirituality might be even more obscure if people couldn't get published on a platform that can reach the mainstream.

The problem with having free content is the method of distribution.  Selling your product is a much better way to get your information to as much people as possible.  This is generally how our society works, and why a lot of spiritual teachers write and sell books, it's also a lucrative business, and it's not always a 100% honest and sincere effort, yeah there are people out there just trying to cash in on a popular product, but this is hardly limited to spirituality.

Some of the best spiritual teachers also sell their teachings and try to make a living this way, a lot of teachers quoted on this forum make their living or a portion of it from their teachings.  I don't honestly see anything wrong with this so long as it's honest and it's clear what is being sold. 

There are pros and cons to both forms, free and paid.  A con would be that spiritual seeking can be fed, like an addiction, people desperate for answers and money at disposal can spend lots of money they have no business spending, and it can go on for a long time.  Anyone else want to weigh in pros and cons?

they also say there's a kind of psychological acceptance when you pay for something, rather than getting it for free. That being said, it would be nice if all the good stuff was cost efficient. 

[Nahm]

Someone found a way to sell love? 

[MiracleMan]

21 minutes ago, Nahm said:

Someone found a way to sell love? 

Can't buy me love, everybody tells me so!

[Patang]

29 minutes ago, Nahm said:

Someone found a way to sell love? 

love thyself is free of charge, not to be bought nor sold

[MiracleMan]

51 minutes ago, starsofclay said:

they also say there's a kind of psychological acceptance when you pay for something, rather than getting it for free. That being said, it would be nice if all the good stuff was cost efficient. 

Exactly, paying $10 for a book is totally reasonable in my opinion, a used book even cheaper.  If you have access to a big library, even cheaper still.

The issue here is that it's much more difficult to get your message to the people you want without a vehicle for distributing it, which costs money in our society.  By what method could you make it totally free of cost and get this information to as many people as possible?

A person who is destitute is much more likely to come across an old beat up copy of "The Power of Now" or ACIM or some widely distributed and popular than a database of free information on some obscure location on the internet.  I think the resources for spirituality is much more widely available than you think for free content, the problem is you have to dig for it BECAUSE it's free.  On the other hand you can get some very good books with all the pointers you could ever need to establish a practice at very low cost if you do some research.

[Nahm]

@Patang ❤️

So no one is charging money for enlightenment. 

People are unwilling to look within, and looking to pay someone else to tell them to, some number of times.

Enlightenment is always free. That’s it’s nature.

[Patang]

@Nahm indeed, the gateless gate has no lock, reality is no prison cell and there are no guards ??

[Nahm]

@Patang right on. There is a supply, because there is a demand. 

[Patang]

@Nahm