Raw Meat Diet

[Slade]

13 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

According to this website by Dr. Axe, raw milk contains Vitamin C

https://draxe.com/raw-milk-benefits/

Not saying I am in support of this diet, I am wfpb person myself for my own reasons. I think a diet of raw milk and Meat could work considering humans probably have had to live in this condition before especially during the winter. 

Booyah. There’s small amounts of vitamin c in meat too. 

[SgtPepper]

6 minutes ago, Slade said:

Booyah. There’s small amounts of vitamin c in meat too. 

It makes sense since animals eat plants, that is where they get their vitamin C.

I am curious, are you just eating grass-fed cow meat? or will you include chicken and pork?

[Slade]

37 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

It makes sense since animals eat plants, that is where they get their vitamin C.

I am curious, are you just eating grass-fed cow meat? or will you include chicken and pork?

I’m just eating cow meat. I don’t think it’s grass fed, that stuff is kinda expensive, but if this goes well then I’ll end up getting grass fed and pasture raised. The milk I’m drinking though is grass fed, pasture raised, raw milk.

[SgtPepper]

2 minutes ago, Slade said:

I’m just eating cow meat. I don’t think it’s grass fed, that stuff is kinda expensive, but if this goes well then I’ll end up getting grass fed and pasture raised. The milk I’m drinking though is grass fed, pasture raised, raw milk.

I would say go grass-fed to go as natural as possible, but I am sure you have done the research. Good luck man!

[MM1988]

humans are not meant to eat raw meat, seriously dont do it, its actually dangerous,

[Slade]

1 minute ago, MM1988 said:

humans are not meant to eat raw meat, seriously dont do it, its actually dangerous,

You must be a doctor. 

[Slade]

7 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

I would say go grass-fed to go as natural as possible, but I am sure you have done the research. Good luck man!

Yeah I definitely want to go grass fed at some point. I heard that’s the safest bet for raw meat as well as I’d like to know the animals I’m eating are pasture raised on a good farm and are healthy. 

[jjer94]

1 hour ago, Michael569 said:

Not based on cronometer.com.

Because surely cronometer is right 100% of the time. 

(E.g. The vitamin A in carrots is not that bioavailable.)

By the way, raw milk is a completely different food from pasteurized homogenized milk. The former has enzymes and actual nutrition, the latter causes a mucus response and destroys the gut. But you probably knew that already.

[Slade]

41 minutes ago, jjer94 said:

Because surely cronometer is right 100% of the time. 

(E.g. The vitamin A in carrots is not that bioavailable.)

By the way, raw milk is a completely different food from pasteurized homogenized milk. The former has enzymes and actual nutrition, the latter causes a mucus response and destroys the gut. But you probably knew that already.

Yeah I don’t think a lot of people are aware of the power of raw milk. You could literally live off raw milk and get all the nutrients you need. 

[SgtPepper]

Good discussion here. I have spent the last few days watching sv3rige's videos... heh.

Still, I do not see the benefits of being so extreme and eating only raw meat, raw eggs, and raw milk, especially considering the risk of contracting harmful bacterias.

There is evidence that humans have eaten both starches (root vegetables), meat to survive, and that cooking food helped us evolve. Our body and brain use glucose for energy. Not to mention the kind of actions one has to commit on a weekly basis to sentient animals to sustain that kind of diet. Yeah, it is natural to kill, to survive as carnivores argue, but it is also natural to have empathy and make friends with sentient animals. Would it not be more balanced to include both vegetables, legumes, nuts, fruits, and meat/fish in the diet? milk and cheese seems debatable since its a recent food in human diets or perhaps was not eaten on a weekly basis all year.

Unfortunately, I have not experimented enough with my diet or explored the research enough to be convicted in one place (still need to check out Westen A. Price's material). 

Also, I have seen sv3rige argue that Vegan diets lack vitamin A, but then why do we not see vitamin A deficiency in vegans? why aren't people going blind? When I look up 4 oz cooked meat like pork chop or chicken on cronometer, not even 5% of vitamin A RDA is met. I have never eaten raw meat in my life, but I have great eyesight (No glasses or contacts). 

Edited February 21, 2018 by SgtPepper
Elaboration

[Slade]

@SgtPepper Yeah I don’t think there’s anything wrong with including some veggies and fruits in your diet. What’s really intrigued me is the stories of tribes living to be 150yrs old living mostly off of raw fish and other raw meats, with the occasional fruit or veggie. 

Your body can live off of fat by the way. They call it ketosis and a lot of people claim to have way more energy when they use fat instead of glucose. Ketogenic diets focus on this. But even if you’re not in ketosis you can convert protein into glucose.

From what I’ve studied the risk of getting harmful bacteria only comes when you are eating an unhealthy animal. If you’re eating ones that are raised on a pasture, wild caught, and eating what they’re meant to eat then there seems to be no risk. I wouldn’t eat raw eggs or meat from Walmart. Lol

Something I’m reconciling with is having to kill animals in order for me to survive. I love cows and all animals really and I wouldn’t want any suffering to come to them, let alone at my hands. I’m not religious but before I eat now I say a little prayer hoping that the lives of the animals I’m eating live on in some way and I wish them well and thank them. Joseph Campbell’s work has helped give me some peace of mind. He talks about how you cannot have life without death and vis versa. When something dies, it is reborn. 

If you want to do more research on this you should look into the guy that started it all. His name is Aajonus Vonderplanitz. His story is incredible. He was sick and projected to die at 21 years old but raw food saved his life. He’s spoken with multiple tribes and seen how they live off of raw meat and well into 150yrs. What’s really insane though is that he was an activist for raw milk consumption and because of that he had death threats and was kidnapped one time and almost killed. He died in 2013 when his balcony at his house in Thailand collapsed. I saw in one of sv3riges videos that Aajonus’s friends think he was assinated. Normally I’m not that interested in conspiracy’s but Aajonus said once, “whatever the medical industry tells you to do, do the opposite and you’ll be healthy.” This struck me because I remember Leo saying once something along the lines of, “whatever mainstream society tells you to do, do the opposite and you can guarantee your success.” 

Another person to look into his Melissa Henig. She’s still alive and is a big advocate for raw foods and she does include some raw fruits and veggies. 

 

Edited February 21, 2018 by Slade

[pluto]

Please be careful and remember you are not a cat.

[Huginn]

@Slade  Interesting. Might look into that guy later. He seems to contrast with one of my main sources: Robert Morse (who points out what @pluto just did), in that he especially used raw animal products and not just raw fruits/veggies. Also stories of 150 year old tribe members remind me of a quote from Robert Morse's book: The Detox Miracle Sourcebook:

Quote

“The ancient Greeks, before the time of Lycurgus, ate nothing but fruit,”
(Plutarch) and “each generation reached the age of 200 years.”
— Onomacritus of Athens

Then there are people like Dave Asprey aspiring to live to 170, and he has his hacky ways.

Wish I could live that long to see who's truly right.

Edited February 21, 2018 by Huginn

[Slade]

1 hour ago, pluto said:

Please be careful and remember you are not a cat.

Meow

[Slade]

@Huginn There’s so much controversial information out there I hope we can all find the truth someday. Thanks for sharing.

[jjer94]

4 hours ago, Michael569 said:

So if someone eats a carrot on empty stomach in the morning, not a good thing but having it along with avocado, olive oil or few nuts, you'll digest it easily. It also helps to cook it slightly to break down the cellular wall and chew a bit more  

Wow, I had no idea. Thanks for the tips!

[Slade]

On 2/22/2018 at 10:37 AM, Outer said:

There is a lot of good bacteria or probiotics in raw meat, which you can obviously guess why. At the same time you can't rule out the possibility of bad bacteria, viruses, parasites like worms.

If you want to have probiotics, you can eat fermented foods like sauerkraut, miso paste which is like a spice containing fermented soy, salt, etc. Foods containing a lot of dietary fiber is good as well, like beans and vegetables.

 

From what I’ve studied over the past few days, and idk if this is true so I’m going to find out for myself, is that the bacteria and parasites that grow on raw meat are super beneficial to us. The only bad bacteria or parasites are man made and come from animals that have been injected with horomones and forced to eat diets that aren’t for them. I just watched a video of a guy eating one year old rotten meat. He eats rotten meat all the time and claims it only makes him healthier. ?

I just watched a lecture today on how plants have a defense mechanism which can really harm us when we eat them. I’m really starting to wonder if everything we’ve been taught about nutrition is ass backwards, 180 degrees the wrong way. Could that be the work of the Devil? ? interesting...

[Nahm]

@Slade You’re like a lion or something! 

[Slade]

@Michael569 You think? Why is it that tribes like the Maasai in Kenya can live as the strongest tribe today with their diet composing of raw meat, raw milk, and raw blood? You’d think they’d be sick and extinct by now and yet it’s normal for their people to live over 100 years old. But vegans have to takes shots from big pharma to get their b12. We’ve been brainwashed with vegan propaganda and there’s something we can learn from these tribes about true healthy living. 

[Huginn]

@Slade As far as I know, the B12 thing is due to degradation of the soil from agriculture, so I don't find it a good argument against veganism/plant-based diets in this case. We would've gotten it in the usual way before agriculture. I'm sure there are examples of long living plant-eating folks somewhere too. Haven't bothered gathering data on that.