advice before taking mushrooms

[rothko]

So I was planning on taking a dive into the psychedelic world, and wanted to start with shrooms.  Ive done all the basic reading, of doses, and how to have a safe trip and all that with the setting.  And i have also seen many of leos vidoes on the subjects, of psychedelics, and many other relative, various subjects he talks about.  I even remember him saying strange loops are useful to know about before going in. 

 

But what i was was wondering, is does anyone here have any good advice, towards maximizing the personal development aspect of the trip?  For instance, are there any good books, or guides, or podcasts, or any other mediums, anyone here, would recommend?  Its greatly appreciated, thanks. 

 

ps i do yoga, and meditation on the regular.

[Viking]

The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge , there are a few books the first 2 are the best. its not just tips on how to trip but a whole story. it's very interesting though.

[Mercurio3]

You only can learn through the experience itself. I mean the first times probably you will lose yourself in the visual-games and mind-games, which are really beautiful and funny. Also you will have outstanding insights. But you won’t have control over the situation because you don’t know it yet. Probably at the third or fourth experience with mushrooms you will have total control over that.

[Forestluv]

6 hours ago, rothko said:

But what i was was wondering, is does anyone here have any good advice, towards maximizing the personal development aspect of the trip? 

Some people go in with an "intention", such as gaining insight into a relationship, becoming aware of deep-seeded blocks and fears etc. I've done that on occasion. Yet, I usually don't go in with any goals, hopes or intentions. I set a quiet environment and have a notebook handy. Then I try to let go and surrender.

If you want personal growth, like an enhanced meditation session, I wouldn't take a high dose. For me, strong trips are like taking the Blue Pill in The Matrix. Once I saw that Truth, I can't unsee it. I took a high dose my first trip and the illusionary self dissolved. That kinda stuff was fun to think and chat about, until it happened. Now, I can't jump back into The Game of Life. It's not what I hoped for or wanted - it just IS. It seems most people can snap back into their selves after high doses. I couldn't. Those strong trips made The Matrix look like a walk in the park. I went in feeling a bit cocky one time and got my ass kicked. Now, I go in with humility and dread. . .

Anyone that assumes they can take a high dose, breakthrough ego death, dust themselves off and go on their merry way could be in for a rude awakening. In 1936, Max Eastman, wrote, by way of introduction to his book on laughter, “I must warn you, reader, that it is not the purpose of this book to make you laugh.  As you know, nothing kills the laugh quicker than to explain a joke.  I intend to explain all jokes, and the proper and logical outcome will be, not only that you will not laugh now, but that you will never laugh again.”  A similar case could be made for personal growth.  One way to kill innocence is to engage in deep states of consciousness. Tripping with the intention of personal growth may not only fail to produce personal growth, but may make it forever after unattainable. 

With that said, the lower to mid doses are an entirely different experience. They can be insightful and fascinating. And I think the lessons are much easier to integrate into everyday life.

 

[Guest Quanty]

I do not recommend mushrooms or any psychedelic or drugs to those who are not masters of Air and Earth. Why? Because Flashy experiences are not important in the spiritual path, it is just a waste of time. 

Blessings

[SgtPepper]

Here's a good book: https://www.amazon.com/Psychedelic-Explorers-Guide-Therapeutic-Journeys/dp/1594774021/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1518066373&sr=8-3-fkmr0&keywords=how+to+psychedelic+therapy

I am biased, but psychedelics are not a waste of time and they grow on Earth (natural). They are serious transforming medicines that has been used by humanity for thousands of years for spiritual purposes. They can also be mind-fucking and I recommend taking big breathes whenever you need to, take on a meditative mindset and an open mind.

 

[molosku]

Time your bowel movements such that you take a huge shit before you trip. Thank me later. 

[Viking]

13 hours ago, Quanty said:

I do not recommend mushrooms or any psychedelic or drugs to those who are not masters of Air and Earth. Why? Because Flashy experiences are not important in the spiritual path, it is just a waste of time. 

Blessings

Do you mean that 0% of the growth comes from insights and 100% of the growth comes from training the mind and body? psychedelics can provide profound insights, which can help grow the body and mind, or accelerate the process.

[rothko]

On 2/6/2018 at 0:21 PM, Viking said:

The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge , there are a few books the first 2 are the best. its not just tips on how to trip but a whole story. it's very interesting though.

cool, thanks for the reco, i actually read that book  year ago, i totally forgot about that one.  also i read it not fully understanding he was doing shrooms exactly, i was thinking maybe peyote. but thinking back, that def makes alot of sense, it could be any psychedelic really.  I remember lizard people at the end, which i thought made sense, to our brain structures and evolution and all that. We are lizards at the basic level(core of our brain), lately i have been having insights that the ego is our lizard part of the brain,  which is why i was thinking that was what he was experiencing at the end of his journey.  it all makes sense now! 

 

my current theory with yoga is that we are releasing the emotional deposits in our body(the built up damaged cells, and what feels like pain, when its engaged/released through yoga) and that connects to the lizard part of the brain which also has the emotional stuff, so it gets released, and your brain can pass nerve impulses through the old brain alot easier, thus increasing your ability to achieving higher conciousness(using the more advanced parts of the brain)  So i wonder actually if psychedelics do the brain part, and than the body part changes too.  or perhaps it makes it easier to release stuff through yoga later on(less pain, higher growth through yoga).

On 2/7/2018 at 5:53 PM, Quanty said:

I do not recommend mushrooms or any psychedelic or drugs to those who are not masters of Air and Earth. Why? Because Flashy experiences are not important in the spiritual path, it is just a waste of time. 

Blessings

so air and earth, by this do u mean chakras? root(earth), and heart(air)

? or perhaps the earth is the body, and air is having complete control over prana?

 

On 2/7/2018 at 9:16 PM, SgtPepper said:

Here's a good book: https://www.amazon.com/Psychedelic-Explorers-Guide-Therapeutic-Journeys/dp/1594774021/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1518066373&sr=8-3-fkmr0&keywords=how+to+psychedelic+therapy

I am biased, but psychedelics are not a waste of time and they grow on Earth (natural). They are serious transforming medicines that has been used by humanity for thousands of years for spiritual purposes. They can also be mind-fucking and I recommend taking big breathes whenever you need to, take on a meditative mindset and an open mind.

 

alright thanks a ton for the book reco, i will have to check that out before i trip, is there specific parts you would recommend me just glossing over and, certain parts that might be more worth my time to start with?

 

  lol so maybe i wont be tripping for a while now i only have like 5 other books i was telling myself i want to finish first.  But perhaps this book and tripping. might bleed into .and advance the other parts of my life that will help me evolve overall alot more.

[SgtPepper]

4 hours ago, rothko said:

alright thanks a ton for the book reco, i will have to check that out before i trip, is there specific parts you would recommend me just glossing over and, certain parts that might be more worth my time to start with?

 

  lol so maybe i wont be tripping for a while now i only have like 5 other books i was telling myself i want to finish first.  But perhaps this book and tripping. might bleed into .and advance the other parts of my life that will help me evolve overall alot more.

The book covers many aspects of using psychedelics as therapy tools like history, pioneers, etc, but there is a dedicated section to personal growth and self exploration. I still haven't read the book personally because I am reading "The Power of Now" at the moment, but I just bought it and am excited to read it. 

Honestly, I do not think reading books is necessary as a preparation. Nothing can really prepare you besides a nice meditation session. You can set an intention or ask questions during the trip, but even without those practices, I still found trips to be insightful and healing.