Any serious runner out there?

[lostmedstudent]

@Sahil Pandit the world is against me, im developing new allergies to cashes pistachios and other nuts 

im seeing a doctor soon for that !

thank you

[kieranperez]

@lostmedstudent “The Endurance Diet” is not a book that endorses any specific diet. Matt Fitzgerald is a great Stage Yellow/Green coach,  nutritionist, and writer. He wrote a great and also popular book called “Diet Cults” which was basically a great well needed rant against nutrition/diet culture and how mayopic they all are. 

You have to understand that everybody’s metabolism, physiology, etc. are simultaneously incredibly different from one another and also very much the same. 

That book is about laying out fundamental principles and is very open to whatever works for you while cutting out all the bullshit and dogma and also cutting out stuff to stay away from and also what food groups you generally want to focus on at certain times. 

If being vegan works for you, awesome! I myself probably can’t pull off a diet during a hard training cycle without meat. Having heavy protein really helps because when I’m putting along consistent weeks of running with high enough volume and intensity and also strength training and also the stresses from saying long consciousness work and just some of the stresses of daily life, I’m hungry ALL THE TIME. I’m already a human garbage disposal. When I’m running I can’t do just vegan meals and stuff or else I’d be eating 6 times a day... and during training I’m usually eating around 4 times per day. I’m 6’0 and 135 pounds and when I start up a training cycle I burn through any sort of body fat I have left and if I’m not eating a lot look like a holocaust survivor and I have no energy at all. 

At the same time, most athletes (and people in general) are not like me at all with my metabolism. They absolutely have to watch what they eat and limit themselves. 

Playing devils advocate yet again... you’re also going to limit your athletic capacity if all you do is eat McDonalds, tons of sugar and garbage, OR you’re eating food that doesn’t mix well with what your body unique individual physiology may need. You can be eating vegan and you’re suffering from anemia and I actually had a friend who had that. He was killing workouts in high school but was always falling off in races 1200 meters into a 5k cross country races because he was so low on iron. The moment he threw in meat he finally was running mid 4:20s in the 1600 meters and under 10 minutes for the 3200 meters. 

Here’s an example of a mindset you’ll see in the book: what you eat post hard workout will need to be different from what you ate going into your workout. What kinds of food groups, vitamins, minerals, etc. should you eat? 

So it’s very holistic and open to customization and also cutting out the obvious stuff and other diet crazes and makes it very practical.

[Sahil Pandit]

"Dang i regret that run" - No one ever 

[Alex bAlex]

Daily 5-20km depends on the mood. Using Strava for timing(on smartphone, no briz briz or gizmos attached). Salomon Speed crosses Vario 2- shoes.  And pretty much that's it. Plant-based diet but running on an empty stomach right after the meditation (or at least I try) otherwise I get side stitches. 

Edited April 25, 2019 by Alex bAlex

[Sahil Pandit]

2 hours ago, Alex bAlex said:

 Plant-based diet but running on an empty stomach right after the meditation (or at least I try) 

Love it 

[Alex bAlex]

@Sahil Pandit @kieranperez I see many of you are talking abou about burning fat. I am 5'11 and 62kg or so, skinny and almost no fat. I am on a plant based diet and also oil free cooking(14 months) . Time to time I use avocado or nuts but not on a daily or weekly basis. I feel I perform pretty well but I am concerned that without using fats I could get in some health trouble. Should at least incorporate olive oil back into my diet? 

Also I cannot pass the 20km mark. Has this anything to do with the diet/fats? When I am exercising I don't drink as I find it unconformable to carry water with me(plus side pain).  How do you prepare for marathon? 

Thanks in advance. 

[kieranperez]

51 minutes ago, Alex bAlex said:

@Sahil Pandit @kieranperez I see many of you are talking abou about burning fat. I am 5'11 and 62kg or so, skinny and almost no fat. I am on a plant based diet and also oil free cooking(14 months) . Time to time I use avocado or nuts but not on a daily or weekly basis. I feel I perform pretty well but I am concerned that without using fats I could get in some health trouble. Should at least incorporate olive oil back into my diet? 

Let me repeat: whatever works best for you. Do not be rigid when it comes to your health. If it works it works. If it doesn’t it it doesn’t... then change it up. 

51 minutes ago, Alex bAlex said:

Also I cannot pass the 20km mark. Has this anything to do with the diet/fats? When I am exercising I don't drink as I find it unconformable to carry water with me(plus side pain).  How do you prepare for marathon? 

1. No one can give you a cookie cutter approach to marathon training. If you’re running just to get through the distance because you haven’t run further than that, then that process will be entirely different than someone trying to run the marathon under 2:20. And even for those 2 groups, the amount of variance there is person to person in either endeavor (the run to finish & also run fast) can be huge... the variety is going to be more based in the runner trying to go fast because after a certain point in one’s fitness it’s without a doubt doable. 
2. If you’re struggling to even run 13 12.6 miles (20k) then something is up. Again can be diet but I can name a bunch of other potential factors. You’re part of a species that’s literally designed to run 100s of miles at a time. You can get around this. If this is during a race maybe you’re going out way too hard. Maybe you’re not eating enough (leading into the race). Maybe there’s something up with your diet. Maybe it’s a combination of all those + you don’t run enough to handle 13 miles (trust me... you can). 
3. As far as liquid intake... yeah it’s kinda annoying early on but you get used to it and your stomach does too. 

And as far as “what I’m saying”... I’m actually saying the opposite as far as approach to food. I do not condone sticking with certain diet trends for its own sake. Follow what works for you. The best MUT (mountain ultra trail) runner in the world, Kilian Jornet, eats pizza with Nutella before races. Learning to utilize fat inside you as a source of fuel rather than just pure glycogen is different. 

Edited April 25, 2019 by kieranperez

[Sahil Pandit]

@Alex bAlex I reccomend adding nut butters such as peanut butter or almond butter into your post workout shake/smoothie. Or make a meal out of it.

I have not ran a marathon, so i don't have any advice on that at the moment. 

[lostmedstudent]

@Alex bAlex I also have a plant based diet and cannot surpass 20k haha...

[Sahil Pandit]

@lostmedstudent @Alex bAlex I'm gonna need a food list asap 

[Alex bAlex]

8 hours ago, kieranperez said:

You’re part of a species that’s literally designed to run 100s of miles at a time. You can get around this.

Already feel much motivated 

8 hours ago, kieranperez said:

The best MUT (mountain ultra trail) runner in the world, Kilian Jornet, eats pizza with Nutella before races.

I have seen a documentary with a lady running something similar and she was eating bacon, burgers, KitKat and drank CocaCola. That throws me back and even today I keep wondering "How in the world...." 

8 hours ago, Sahil Pandit said:

I reccomend adding nut butters such as peanut butter or almond butter into your post workout shake/smoothie. Or make a meal out of it.

Sincerely, when I tasted peanut butter for the first time, two years ago, I label it as gross and disgusting. For about six months I start to incorporate it in my diet and now I have it on a weekly or even daily basis. I was seeing it more like a "poison"((sorry tired and cannot find another word to describe the feeling)) due to the content of sugar and many times felt guilty, but you made me adjust my lens and see it as something nutritional.  Thanks bro. 

 

6 hours ago, lostmedstudent said:

I also have a plant based diet and cannot surpass 20k haha..

I guess is more a psychological threshold than physiological. The same was when I pushed myself for 10 miles then 20k. 

 

6 hours ago, Sahil Pandit said:

 I'm gonna need a food list asap

Peanut butter- smooth and crunchy. 

[kieranperez]

8 hours ago, Alex bAlex said:

I have seen a documentary with a lady running something similar and she was eating bacon, burgers, KitKat and drank CocaCola. That throws me back and even today I keep wondering "How in the world...." 

Because when you’re racing you don’t eat for health. You eat for performance and that’s actually what will be healthy. It’s straight sugar... glucose. You’re looking at this stuff through a lens of “she’s eating fucking M&Ms, doughnuts, and drinking coke!” Not seeing that that is a straight shot of glycogen and fuel source for them (which really helps fuel the brain if anything which helps feeling less... “punchy” shall we say). There’s nothing weird about it. It seems weird because of your lens and the way you view this stuff.

A common thing you see when you look at athletes who are among the top is they don’t sweet the unimportant small things. They sweat the small things that are important. Not “but I gotta stay on vegan diet!” No you don’t. You actually don’t if it’s not working for you. My buddy on my track club is a 63 minute half marathoner and 2:13 marathoner. I asked him once what he talks at aid stations during a race and he said “oh just water and maybe I’ll throw in some Gatorade to be fancy,” and he and I both laughed. Another acquaintance who won a medal in the 2012 Games in the Women’s 800m doesn’t even wear a GPS watch. She’s just uses a Timex Ironman watch and still ballparks the distance. 

There are also people I know whose stomach can’t hold down solid foods in ultra racing and only take in gels. It’s relative. VERY relative.

Read books that cover the common core principles of good nutrition. 

Fix your diet if you need to, don’t be rigid, strength train more at least 2-3 times p/week of solid sessions and a little bit before and after runs + mobility everyday, and up your training as appropriate for you, do your homework on this stuff, and get back out there. 

Like I said - you’re designed to run hundreds of miles at a time... I think you can go past 20K lol (especially if you and I have a similar body type). How fast you do it, yeah that can depend on a lot of other factors but getting through just 12 miles? Look at those 70 year olds who run 100 milers. Don’t tell me you can’t get past mile 12 lol

[Alex bAlex]

@kieranperez You give me some food for thought here. Indeed I have been extremely rigid with my diet (no refined sugar, wheat, corn, oil, etc)  and that backfired, if not in the health domain, certainly in the psychological one as I was analysing everything and if it wasn't on my list I would feel guilt and remorse. For about 4 months I start to learn to give me some room and start to feel better. 

Thank you for your help. 

[kieranperez]

@Alex bAlex no problem, man.

[Sahil Pandit]

2 hours ago, kieranperez said:

 

"A common thing you see when you look at athletes who are among the top is they don’t sweat the unimportant small things. They sweat the small things that are important."

- Kieran Perez 2019, ladies and gentleman

[Sahil Pandit]

40 minute run today.

30 minutes with shoes,

10 minutes barefoot (on the grass).

Barefoot running is great ya'll. Find a place with some dog poo free grass and get steppin 

[Sahil Pandit]

Today is an OFF day, so i'm going to do an active recovery type of workout instead of running.

HiiT (High Intensity Interval Training)

1.) Jump Rope

2.) Pushups/Dips

3.) Some Body Weight squats

4.) Lots of stretching and some core to top it all off 

[lostmedstudent]

@Sahil Pandit hahahaaahahahahahahahahahhaha awesome

[Alex bAlex]

23 hours ago, Sahil Pandit said:

Find a place with some dog poo free grass and get steppi

Pretty difficult but hey dog turd is part of nature so enjoy it ? new experience helps you grow ?

[outlandish]

On 4/25/2019 at 10:09 AM, Sahil Pandit said:

"Dang i regret that run" - No one ever 

Best quote on here