Rupert Spira about free will

[egoless]

Mixing together two beliefs: (I am separate self) and ( I as a separate self don't have free will) can end up into nihilism or deep depression. Rupert brilliantly explains the issue with understanding free will. That is why I disagree to some of you yelling around there is no free will! It is dangerous to say that to one who still believes he is a separate self. To one who has not realized his true nature...

 

[Monkey-man]

infinity = one

infinity is free

but its one so there are causality and limits within one

free will = determinism

[Nahm]

@egoless yeah, but Rupert didn’t really decide to make that video.

jk

[snowleopard]

@egoless  Here's another take ... There is free will ... it's called Divine Will. The notion of a separate self-identity is a belief. Can a belief have will?  It's the Divine Will to dream of a being separate self. Once it is revealed to be a dream, there is nothing left but Divine Free Will being/dreaming an individual expression of itself, but without the belief in being a separate self-identity segregated from Divine Will. Then the will of a separate self becomes a moot point. One just acts according to one's Divine nature. However, Rupert is right, all this is self-confusion, as long as the separate self-identity belief remains. That sucker first has to go, to truly grok true free will.

Edited January 6, 2018 by snowleopard

[cirkussmile]

This completely depends on what perspective you are using. 

Confusion is needed to become clear!

 

[Markus]

Rupert's point is very good. The mind telling the mind it has no free will is a big circlejerk. Only awareness can "see" the absence of free will properly. 

[Markus]

On 1/6/2018 at 4:45 PM, Outer said:

Maybe intellectually masturbating about free will is of no purpose, the notion of no free will technically should constitute the nonexistence of many selves or others. Maybe many who believe there is no free will still believe they are a self and among many. A self among many that has no free will? Or no self and no many, and thus no free will? I think that might make a huge difference, curious to hear what you all think.

I think we're in agreement if I understand you correctly, yeah. If you belief in a separate self and don't believe in free will that's incongruent. Awareness can make you see there's neither.

Edited January 7, 2018 by Markus

[SOUL]

I still find it humorous that people with the belief they have no free will are forced to choose to tell others that they don't have it either.

Edited January 7, 2018 by SOUL

[daramantus]

On 1/5/2018 at 8:10 PM, Monkey-man said:

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who told you this bunch of bullshit? who told you that there is even infinity? and why do you number infinity? infinity is infinity, it's not one or two, or three. but there isn't even infinity to being with. not even in physics: http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/infinity-is-not-real

also, you are so dumb, that determinism is not the opposite of free-will, let alone "equal". the opposite of determinism is in·de·ter·min·ism, the opposite of free-will is responsibility. there is no philosophy to oppose that, only pseudo new-agers bullshiting and bitching about it.

[TheEnlightenedWon]

Who cares if free will exists or not there is an appearance of free will or there isn't act accordingly or don't

[Preetom]

On 1/6/2018 at 4:02 AM, egoless said:

Mixing together two beliefs: (I am separate self) and ( I as a separate self don't have free will) can end up into nihilism or deep depression. Rupert brilliantly explains the issue with understanding free will.

 

Omg thanks a lot for posting this. The belief of being a separate self and a bunch of non dual truths taken as beliefs is probably the most dangerous combination...

[Monkey-man]

@daramantus  breath in, breath out. again, breath in, breath out. one more time, breath in, breath out. Nice now repeat until you relax your monkey mind. Good.