Stay Human!!! (Trip Report)

[Guest Annetta]

I loved reading your trip report, it was very interesting.  

I've only had glimpses as well, but with every life changing experience, it followed with becoming very acquainted with death.  Sitting in the moment, seeing, smelling, feeling, breathing, and sinking so into the very moment like it is your last.  And knowing that someday it will be.

I believe one of the biggest preparations we can do for ourselves is to dance with death as though she were a faithful friend.  

Your trip sounds like facing Kali (god/death/infinity) with fear and the key is to approach her with love.  

Psychedelics can help with insights and catching glimpses of the devine, but from my experience mastering your death is also another route one can take.

Could you face death at this time with peace and love?

[egoless]

@Annetta there was peace and love in infinity. The fear only appears when you are becoming human again. Because human mind can’t survive the infinity.

you can not become infinity while still functioning in this world. That’s what they don’t understand. And that means that you are not god. But god is you. Paradoxical but that’s what I saw!

[egoless]

@Joseph Maynor From your point of view yes. But you don’t understand perspectives. That’s your problem here with trying to help me. Without understanding my experience or even experiencing what I did. You don’t know what you are talking about. Contemplate that. Become aware of perspectives. It will help you to become better helper in this world.  

Edited December 29, 2017 by egoless

[snowleopard]

Perhaps best not get too caught up in the 'name' game ... God, The Infinite, The Absolute, etc, all names for the nameless, mere descriptors, which then all imply an opposing concept, which implies duality, which implies illusory, which makes for these "It is this, but not that" discussions. Yes, to refer to it here, it must be named, but always keep in mind it's not the name.

 

Edited December 29, 2017 by snowleopard

[snowleopard]

@Joseph Maynor   Gotta love it ... Emerald truly does this heart good to see such wisdom in one so young.

[Guest Annetta]

@egoless Oh, okay, I think I get what you're saying. 

So you experienced infinity, but through your own soul and that soul is separate but also one with everything?  And the level of it can't be achieved permanently while remaining in human form?  So God is telling you to simply 'just be' as a human?

Is my understanding correct?

[egoless]

1 hour ago, Annetta said:

@egoless Oh, okay, I think I get what you're saying. 

So you experienced infinity, but through your own soul and that soul is separate but also one with everything?  And the level of it can't be achieved permanently while remaining in human form?  So God is telling you to simply 'just be' as a human?

Is my understanding correct?

Yes somewhat correct now.  

But it is also important to understand what I mean by being human. I mean to be knowing of the human experience but not to identify with “separate entities” like only mind, body, feelings and etc. you are god’s knowing of this entire finite experience. 

Edited December 29, 2017 by egoless

[Shanmugam]

16 hours ago, egoless said:

For all those who misunderstood my message. I found the perfect explanation of my experience by Rupert Spira. He is the greatest! Listen and maybe you will understand that ego is not a mistake! Ego is not the devil. Ego is no real separation. Ego is Willingly becoming finite so that infinite god can know itself more closely. This is the last explanation I give on this topic. Now sorry, I have the life ahead to enjoy  peace! 

 

I am sure you had some insights... The underlying message that you want to say is 'don't chase enlightenment, don't want to 'become' enlightened.'. 

But I see that you are struggling with the right words here.. Also, a word may mean different thing to different people, that is a huge problem with terminology.. each word not only has a meaning for every individual human being but also has a connotation. And, your post is very ambiguous because of the usage of words like 'God' and 'infinity'... 

But let me remind you,,, There will be a lot of temporary glimpses like this... But don't ever settle for a belief that 'I don't need any help hereafter, I found peace and got all the answers'... Because, after every glimpse of absolute truth, the ego immediately opens its mouth and wants to take credit for what happened...

There is a tendency in mind which stops people from letting go of the feeling of separation, and this tendency finds various cunning ways to stop you, to distract you or to trap you.. 

Sometimes, it will even say 'I am already enlightened, there is nothing I should do, everything is fine'... Even though this is true, the tendency of the mind to retain the separation can just parrot this to you just to reinforce the separation. I am not sure if what I said is clear, but I hope you understand what I say here..

Rupert Sipera says something very important in this video. As he says, there is a longing for letting go of separation but also a resistance or hesitation to do that... That is why people are afraid of intimate relationships. Because in intimate relationships, there is always a temporary oneness.. People long for this oneness and seek relationships.. But at the same time, there is also a resistance or hesitation to do that, which actually comes from the ego or the tendency of the mind to retain the separation... This tendency takes various shapes, uses various backdoors and brings various thoughts in your mind to justify the separation. Unless you bring in the awareness, you may not notice and rise above all that..

And when the lady in the video interrupts him and says something like 'ego is evil', Rupert says it is not so.. Because, ironically, it is the ego which calls 'ego' as evil.. It is the ego which divides, categories things like 'good and bad', 'past vs future', 'How I am and how I want to be', 'me vs world'... This separation that the ego creates is the 'original sin', if we take the story in Genisis metaphorically.. But the word 'sin' has the same negative connotation as the word 'evil'.. ... In reality, nothing is a mistake or evil or a problem...

Ego is a part of the growth... Every person has to first develop it, which already happens anyway... Osho used to talk about a metaphor of ripe fruit...When the fruit is ripe, it automatically falls away.

If haven't already done so, I would suggest you again to read about the 'witnessing' meditation by Osho. It will be tremendously helpful to bring all the unconscious tendencies of your mind to awareness.

Edited December 29, 2017 by Shanmugam

[egoless]

@Shanmugam I know what you mean. And I agree with you mostly. This “witnessing” meditation happens naturally after that realization that I am god’s knowing of finite human experience. 

I know that I have to work a lot still on my self development and disidentifying with “separate parts” of human experience. But right now most of the time I experience myself as the pure knowing. I don’t call anything to what happened to me. It is too early to judge now. But you are right. You should never stop on the point thinking that’s it - I have arrived. There is nowhere to “arrive” to.

Edited December 29, 2017 by egoless

[Richard Alpert]

Dont worry, it will fade away and you will be back. The memory will remain though.

 

[Shanmugam]

12 minutes ago, egoless said:

@Shanmugam  You should never stop on the point thinking that’s it - I have arrived. There is nowhere to “arrive” to.

 

Yes... And just remember what Rupert ended with, in that video.. He talks about retracing your steps... That is what I mentioned as 'untying the knots' in this post: 

The spiritual practice is like keep doing 'control + z' until there is nothing to undo... It feels like peeling the layers of an onion...

 

[Girzo]

@egoless Could you please mention substance and dosage. Report feels incomplete without that.

[Nahm]

@egoless @Girzo that would be helpful to me also. Thanks!

[Guest Annetta]

@egoless Could you go into this a little further, I am still not sure that I understand your viewpoint in full.

[Leo Gura]

Zen Devilry at its finest.

[nightrider1435]

Never seen a trip report thread get dragged out this much lol.

[Jamie Universe]

On ‎12‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 0:40 PM, egoless said:

@Joseph Maynor I don’t need help. No more. Not in this. I became the human. 

I know it’s hard to understand from your paradigm guys but I know what happened. I am in the peace.

From what I hear your argument and belief to choose to be human (or with ego) is based off a bad experience with god/everything. But from what I gathered more people than you have experienced god and have had a good experience. And I don't mean to say this in a jerky way (because its just going to come off as mean since I can't express complicated emotion with a reply). But More people with More experience would say otherwise to your belief in this post

 

Of course I did not have the experience you did. I don't know all the specifics of it. But your describing God as bad/you had a bad experience. So I at least want to point out the logical fallacies in your argument.

 

You should really try to be open minded about this. Here's the definition of open-mindedness:

willing to consider new ideas; unprejudiced.

 

I'm not saying what you saw wasn't real. But I'm asking you to consider what I said above,

EVEN if your 100% percent sure

EVEN if your not even sure why/how it could be incorrect, or what to do to figure out its incorrectness

and EVEN if what you saw is correct 100% in every way

Edited December 30, 2017 by Jamie Universe

[egoless]

Ego is not devil. Ego is not bad. It is also divine. Your life is exactly how it should be. Infinite god knows better! Stop judging your ego. That is why you guys will never get "Enlightened"! Because you want to escape your humanness... Stop trying to become the infinite god. You are finite version of the god with all of it's flaws and difficulties. The greatest self development is Love! Love universe and universe will love you back!

Human is finite version of the god. God is becoming human. Human can't become the infinite god! 

I am tired. Let me rest...

 

Edited December 30, 2017 by egoless

[Key Elements]

@egoless Do you realize that when you've experienced something, it's not easy to share it with anyone, not even here? What I recommend is, go look up different ppl, famous & not famous, who had an "experience of the no-self," and see what they have to say about it. Sometimes the message is hidden or in a metaphor or in a story, etc. They said it in a way that those who "experienced the no-self" will understand. If they say it very directly, they'll be misunderstood and criticized.

I like how Ralph from Infinite Waters puts it, "Come and find me when you're ready."

However, this is not the end, this is only half of the journey. There's miles to go.

[Lauritz]

I guess we gotta ask ourselves how much we are willing to pay for Truth...

Edited December 30, 2017 by Lauritz