Zen Master goes to a therapist

[How to be wise]

I remember shinzen young saying that he went to a therapist recently despite having become enlightened long time ago and has been doing zen meditation and contemplation for decades. Why does he still suffer from the mind? Is emotional mastery really possible? 

[Joseph Maynor]

Maybe enlightenment isn’t what you believe it is.

[LaucherJunge]

@How to be wise
You can be self-realized but still have tons of crap on your mind. The one has basically nothing to do with the other, but I guess after being self-realized it should be easier to purge trough all that crap, hopefully.

[How to be wise]

9 minutes ago, LaucherJunge said:

@How to be wise
You can be self-realized but still have tons of crap on your mind. The one has basically nothing to do with the other, but I guess after being self-realized it should be easier to purge trough all that crap, hopefully.

I understand that enlightenment isn't enough for emotional mastery. But this guy has been doing serious consciousness work for basically his whole life. It kind of demotivates me from carrying on this work.

[Joseph Maynor]

@How to be wise If your beliefs about enlightenment are wrong, why would you insist on clinging to them?

[Telepresent]

@How to be wise You also don't know what his reasons for going to a therapist were. People don't always go to them for significantly negative mental problems. Sometimes they go to help then with interpersonal skills or issues, for example. Don't jump the gun on concluding what it means when you don't have the details

[Capethaz]

@How to be wise He went to a psychiatrist to solve procrastination issues. He wasn't 'suffering', just needed help to change his behavior. Enlightenment doesn't make your behavior 'perfect'.

[Toby]

Is there a link or video where he says that?

[Shin]

11 minutes ago, Toby said:

Is there a link or video where he says that?

Don't remember the video, but he definitely say something alongs those lines.

[Echoes]

@Toby I cant link it for some reason, but it's called "After enlightenment, what's left, what's the point?" at around 3:50

[Shin]

12 minutes ago, Echoes said:

@Toby I cant link it for some reason, but it's called "After enlightenment, what's left, what's the point?" at around 3:50

Quote

What's the point ?

Love

That's the point.

 

Edited November 27, 2017 by Shin

[AlwaysBeNice]

Not identifying with ego doesn't mean there's no more negative ego

But yes, it's possible, it may be a good idea to see some of these people in real life and get to know them

Or David Spero is a good example in my opinion that demonstrates this well on video

 

[AleksM]

 

@Toby @How to be wise Mental suffering is different from physical pain. You can have physical issues and no mental suffering about those happenings. 

 

[Key Elements]

It could take years to incorporate seeing/being the no-self (enlightenment) into one's everyday life. After "experiencing the no-self," the person is still embodied. Embodiment means one still has to deal with the ego. Mastery of dropping the ego on a daily basis may take time. It won't be perfect.

Shinzen Young explains it in each one of these traps. Life, the journey, continues.