Why Some Enlightened People Seem Arrogant?

[Monkey-man]

If enlightenment suppose to make people loving and caring to the whole universe, why I see so many enlightened people who talks about enlightenment but seem so arrogant, lofty and even selfish?

[Leo Gura]

@Monkey-man Because enlightenment is strictly-speaking NOT about being loving or caring. It is about being conscious of what reality is.

You can be conscious that 1+1=2, and still be a rapist.

Purifying all facets of the mind is a much harder task than enlightenment alone.

You could get enlightened in 3 years, but stopping being an asshole can take a lifetime of work.

[Monkey-man]

@Leo Gura but Leo didn't you say that once you enlightened and realise that everything is you - you genuinely want to treat everything and everyone with care just as much as you care about your own body and that you love all what surrounds you?

[Leo Gura]

@Monkey-man Generally speaking, yes. Key word there being "generally".

And there are many half-baked enlightened folks out in the world.

[d0ornokey]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

but stopping being an asshole can take a lifetime of work.

a lifetime of work to stop being an asshole?

[Dodo]

6 hours ago, Monkey-man said:

@Leo Gura but Leo didn't you say that once you enlightened and realise that everything is you - you genuinely want to treat everything and everyone with care just as much as you care about your own body and that you love all what surrounds you?

Some don't care about their body and btw love can be shown in ways you don't consider love if you don't see the bigger picture of "higher good" or something.

[pluto]

What about when your conscious that 1+1 = 3 >.<

[Toby]

Maybe it's just ones perception that someone is arrogant. Maybe it's also that this someone isn't enlightened or not that enlightened as one thought. If for example someone abuses their students sexually it's pretty much clear that there are areas in their lives that are not "enlightened".

[LaucherJunge]

Another thing is that enlightened people can also carry a mask if they want to, that is not authentically them but it makes living in society more convinient and in the grand scheme of things does it really matter if you try to increase someones growth by loving them or by being an asshole towards them? The people who are assholes usually push you the most, so what is more loving now in the end?

[Dodo]

4 hours ago, Shiva said:

What the fuck!? 

light and darkness are one no?

[ajasatya]

@Monkey-man there are those who have attained a mental comprehension about Truth and those who embody Truth.

those who have attained a mental comprehension about Truth are ready to answer any question because they have learned to play with the words in order to look wise. they seem to know everything but it's still possible to sense struggle in them.

those who embody Truth are on a completely different level. they feel oneness in their gut. they feel the suffering and the happiness of their brothers and sisters in their hearts. only those who embody Truth are capable of living accordingly to the words of jesus love your neighbor as yourself. they don't even obey jesus. that's just the way they live effortlessly.

Edited October 31, 2017 by ajasatya

[Prabhaker]

12 hours ago, Monkey-man said:

If enlightenment suppose to make people loving and caring to the whole universe, why I see so many enlightened people who talks about enlightenment but seem so arrogant, lofty and even selfish?

They can do anything to break our sleep, 

JESUS SAID: MEN POSSIBLY THINK THAT I HAVE COME TO THROW PEACE UPON THE WORLD, AND THEY DO NOT KNOW THAT I HAVE COME TO THROW DIVISIONS UPON THE EARTH – FIRE, SWORD, WAR.

You have to pass through the chaos, because as you are you are absolutely wrong. In this state if somebody consoles you he is your enemy. With him you will lose time, life, energy, and in the end consolations won’t help. When death comes all consolations will evaporate.

[WelcometoReality]

@Monkey-man

12 hours ago, Monkey-man said:

If enlightenment suppose to make people loving and caring to the whole universe, why I see so many enlightened people who talks about enlightenment but seem so arrogant, lofty and even selfish?

Because enlightenment is just the beginning of the journey. But if they believe they are at the end of the journey they might start to feel special or protect thereself by being in that part of the realization. There is still something there to hold onto the absolute.

[Dodo]

16 minutes ago, Shiva said:

?

What we perceive as darkness / unwanted is just our limited perspective. It's Truth filtered through the prism of mind, through the prism of polarities, while in truth there is no raper and no raped, there is just the perception. 

Another truth is : Don't do to others what you don't want done to you: Perhaps you want to get raped? Karma will rape you if you rape, so it's all good. 

[doronshadmi]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Monkey-man Because enlightenment is strictly-speaking NOT about being loving or caring. It is about being conscious of what reality is.

You can be conscious that 1+1=2, and still be a rapist.

Purifying all facets of the mind is a much harder task than enlightenment alone.

You could get enlightened in 3 years, but stopping being an asshole can take a lifetime of work.

As I get it, if enlightenment is one's awareness to act right from the simplest state of reality without losing it during its non-simplest expressions, one may naturally loves and cares in the same manner as one gets that 1+1=2 *

Moreover, by actually being rooted in the simplest state of reality during day-by-day activity, one is naturally a modest human being.

 

* (b.t.w, 1+1=2 is used here as an analogy for self evident (obvious) understanding, but in modular arithmetic (clock arithmetic) of two states that are marked as 0 and 1, 1+1=0).

 

 

[doronshadmi]

13 hours ago, Monkey-man said:

enlightenmentIf enlightenment suppose to make people loving and caring to the whole universe, why I see so many enlightened people who talks about enlightenment but seem so arrogant, lofty and even selfish?

There is a difference between talking about enlightenment, and actually being enlightened.

Also we have to be careful by criticize other persons, because there may be a chance that an enlightened person is like a mirror that reflects the observer (in this case the arrogant person is actually your reflection).

Edited October 31, 2017 by doronshadmi

[Nahm]

@Monkey-man consider your role in the relativity. I remember seeing arrogant people. Lately I see some people that are neck deep in an illusion. 

[Leo Gura]

Being aware of a thing is one thing.

Behaving in a cute and cuddly manner is a totally different thing.

There is some correlation, but it's a loose one.

Just because someone is a good mathematician (understands math) doesn't mean he can't also be an asshole. So why do you expect that someone who understands Truth would immediately behave like a saint?

The problem here is over-idealization of enlightenment. Strictly-speaking enlightenment is nothing more than knowing what reality is. You are then free to act however. You could decide to become a cannibal and there would really be no conflict.

[Key Elements]

They're testing you. Some monks do that in a cunning way to see what level you're on. They have to deal with all kinds of people coming to them.

(You know, as Leo like to say it, Zen stick slap. ?)

[Deep]

@Leo Gura Enlightenment is a state of being after having a transcendental experience. Enlightenment is not a paradigm shift because all paradigms happen within the ego. The transcendental experience doesn't happen randomly. It happens because the person succeeds in Yoga or some spiritual practice, knowingly or unknowingly. It wouldn't happen to a rapist because a rapist commits violence, but it can happen to an asshole because an asshole is honest. Enlightenment doesn't change a person's inherent personality but the transcendental experience can soften them up. I hope this answers your question @Monkey-man .