Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) I personnally never did masturbation, and i'm virgin for now. But I feel very good. If I don't do masturbation, that's just because I don't want to, and I absolutely don't feel this need at all. I do have desires, but for now, i didn't feld in love, and I won't have sex with a girl a don't really love, cause it would be just for pleasure, and I would feel like a lier. Should sex be a need ? Why is it a need for almost everybody ? Who told me that I needed to have sex in order to be happy ? You can perfectly live without sex, and very happy. It depends on each person. Be honest and truth with yourself. If you decide to stop sex in order to pursue enlightenment because Leo told you it was chimpery, but in the inside you are craving so much for it, you aren't aligned with the truth. You have to be honest with yourself, and do what is right for you right now. Accept what is. At some point, if you keep doing spiritual enlightenment work, you will transcend the need for sex. But let things happend when they need to happend. If you feel like you really need sex now, well, have some, but keep your self actualization work. Edited February 23, 2016 by Ken Lecoq Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Sex is only a need for those unenlightened chimps Edited February 25, 2016 by jip Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, jip said: Sex is only a need for those unenlightened chimps And if you are truly honest with yourself, Jip, how do you feel in the inside ? Did you really transcended your desires ? Or are you just repeating what leo told you ? What kinds of thoughts do you have when seeing a girl like this one (yes, I know, that correspond to the feminin ideal society sold us, but that's the one I have, because I grew up in this society) : I feel like that you are just repeating what leo told you to be seen as superior... Be carefull, superiority is a trap on the path of spiritual enlightenment. If you do feel sexual desires (for mens or womens), the best solution isn't necessarily to hide them just because someone told you it was unnessary. If the desire is here, there might be a reason, and you might need to live a relationship before transcending the desire (well, I talk for myself at the same time, cause that's the way I feel). Well, just be truth and honest with yourself, and don't deny your fellings, some things might necessary for you to live before totally discovering enlightenment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 If I won't die (or be in some way significantly harmed) without it, I don't actually *need* it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 Sex no, porn yes You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 @Leo Gura what do you mean? Porn YES..? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 43 minutes ago, Mohsinuddin said: @Leo Gura what do you mean? Porn YES..? I believe it's a joke XD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 9 hours ago, Ken Lecoq said: , and I won't have sex with a girl a don't really love, cause it would be just for pleasure, and I would feel like a lier. im very confused about this part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Of course you can live without it, but what's the point? It is such a nice playfulness, no need to be dogmatic about it. Who can resist a sensual woman without suffering a bit? Edited February 23, 2016 by Locooig Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 9 hours ago, Ken Lecoq said: I personnally never did masturbation, and i'm virgin for now. But I feel very good. If I don't do masturbation, that's just because I don't want to, and I absolutely don't feel this need at all. I do have desires, but for now, i didn't feld in love, and I won't have sex with a girl a don't really love, cause it would be just for pleasure, and I would feel like a lier. Should sex be a need ? Why is it a need for almost everybody ? Who told me that I needed to have sex in order to be happy ? You can perfectly live without sex, and very happy. It depends on each person. Be honest and truth with yourself. If you decide to stop sex in order to pursue enlightenment because Leo told you it was chimpery, but in the inside you are craving so much for it, you aren't aligned with the truth. You have to be honest with yourself, and do what is right for you right now. Accept what is. At some point, if you keep doing spiritual enlightenment work, you will transcend the need for sex. But let things happend when they need to happend. If you feel like you really need sex now, well, have some, but keep your self actualization work. Well said and I have to say you're so lucky to have avoided that complete lustful 'need' that we all have. To answer that question though, everyone told us all the time, the tv told us all the time, internet told us fucking constantly, porn teased us to fucking death and girls told us (either directly or indirectly) that we couldn't have it or that it's really hard to get ahold of, making us want it. It's a curse but like you said, we can't lie about it. I believe (and I use the word believe here) that once the need is there and so greatly implanted the best way to surpass it is to become the master and see if it will stay a need after time have passed or just a luxury for fun or when you find that one who you really want to share yourself with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 If humans did not need sexual contact. We wouldn't need to be intellectual, emotional, enlightened or anything else that happens between the ears. Sex begins between your ears. Sex and intimacy is first a brain function. I believe it is absolutely a necessary part of human groth and development. What kind of balanced life can you have with out good sex ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 Some folks here think, that enlightenment is gonna free you from burden of human flesh, lol. After enlightenment there won't be you to decide it. Sexual feelings is a part of overall phenomena, and your body and mind would act according it. I don't know why so many guys are trying to supress this desire, if you are asking this question you already have some problems and just seek justification towards your action, imho. Sex is certainly a need, not the most important one, but still. You can choose to manifest it healthy or deny, creating unnecessary suffering. Osho was enlightened and was fucking like a rockstar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 2 hours ago, MonikaBcn said: im very confused about this part. Well, MonikaBcn... The truth for me is that I don't really know what to think about sex, and I don't really want to think about it. What I meant is that I don't feel that I need sex, so I won't go outside and seduce a girl just in order to have sex. For exemple, last november, I went to Balaguer's Fiesta mayor (Lleida, ES), and I spend the night with a couple of attractive girls; the girls in spain are much more open than french girls, and they seemed much easier to seduce... But they were all too superficial... I had a lot of fun, because I don't have fears anymore (thanks to the beautiful teachings of "simple-pick-up" and "simple sexy stupid")... But I didn't felt il love... at all... Well, it's kind of frustrating, because I'm 19, and all the girls I meet when I go out seems so blind to me... I know this is just judgements my ego is making... But I'm just not falling in love with girls who seems so blind to my ego. One of my friends told me that when he had sex with someone he didn't really love, just in order to fulfill the need, he felt very bad abou it... that it didn't fulfilled him at all, and he feld disgusted about himself afterward, because it wans't truth for him. This discussion I had wit him impacted me. That's what i meant by "I would feel like a lier". For now, I didn't felt in love for now, and I never had any opportunity to have sex (I mean, with someone I love)... And I totally accept it, I feel very good about it, and appart from the desire I have wen looking at a sexy girl, I don't feel any need. If one day I fall in love, I wont reject it, I will allow myself to fully live this experience. But if I don't, well, I will fully accept it as well, because I feel that's not a need for me. Just accepting whatever life give me, and follow the flow. The discovering of truth ann enlightenment is the most important for me... It sex is on this path, I will accept it, great, if not, i will accept the absence of sex, great as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 7 hours ago, Leo Gura said: Sex no, porn yes Can you clear this up for us? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ken Lecoq said: One of my friends told me that when he had sex with someone he didn't really love, just in order to fulfill the need, he felt very bad abou it... that it didn't fulfilled him at all, and he feld disgusted about himself afterward, because it wans't truth for him. This discussion I had wit him impacted me. That's what i meant by "I would feel like a lier". The way I imagine your friend's experience is: he had sex with some pretty girl, he had an orgasm, she probably didn't and then he felt guilty and dissapointed bcz the whole thing didn't mach his idea and fantasy of sex being 'the act of the ultimate love'. I get your explaination, I believe you are perfectly fine doing whatever you are doing, good for you. I'm only trying to say (for the others who may hold this belief) that this idea of TRUE AND FULFILLING SEX IS ONLY FOR LOVE is just very unrealistic and possibly dangerous. It's basically chasing the fantasy that doesn't necesarily exist. Sex doesn't have to be sacred to be true or fun. You don't need ultimate love to have good and fulfilling sex. Mutual respect and caring for each other is just enough. So, I don't see the reason to feel like a liar bcz of having sex with someone you like, respect and care about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 For me, yes. Not only is it a way to emotionally connect to a woman but there are numerous studies that show MANY physiological benefits of sex. It does the body good! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, MonikaBcn said: The way I imagine your friend's experience is: he had sex with some pretty girl, he had an orgasm, she probably didn't and then he felt guilty and dissapointed bcz the whole thing didn't mach his idea and fantasy of sex being 'the act of the ultimate love'. I get your explaination, I believe you are perfectly fine doing whatever you are doing, good for you. I'm only trying to say (for the others who may hold this belief) that this idea of TRUE AND FULFILLING SEX IS ONLY FOR LOVE is just very unrealistic and possibly dangerous. It's basically chasing the fantasy that doesn't necesarily exist. Sex doesn't have to be sacred to be true or fun. You don't need ultimate love to have good and fulfilling sex. Mutual respect and caring for each other is just enough. So, I don't see the reason to feel like a liar bcz of having sex with someone you like, respect and care about. Thanks for explaining your point of view. You are right, and adding an important aspect. I do agree, and if I encounter a girl who is clear about that, and just want to have sex for entertainement, not necessarily in name of "true love", well I won't hesitate a second... If she is clear about it. It's just that the girls I encounter don't think like that, they are also looking for "the one". I see that there are a lot of lies involved in the realtionships today. Few peoples are being 100% honest ; they lie to the other one and to themselves. If I try to seduce a girl just for fun, if it's a superficial kind of girl, I have to lie to her and to myself. I just want to be honest and truth, I don't want to tell her stuff I don't really think. I don't want to lie to anybody. I do have desires, but if I need to lie in order to fulfill them, that's ridiculous for me. I'm sure life is going to giving me the posibility to live sex while being truth with her and myself. It can be in name of true love, or in name of simple entertainement, but truthfully. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2016 @Ken Lecoq now everything makes perfect sense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
