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[WaveInTheOcean]

To be brutally honest with you guys ... No there is no special 'way' in which reality works.

It's all perspectives and mind-layering upon reality.

Just take a concept like time. The human brain works obviously by having a deep belief that time is a real thing. Yet science and Einstein tells us that time is a complete illusion. A trick. There is no such thing as time, except for the feeling of time that the human brain lays upon reality.

If there is any way in which reality works it can be summed up into a few words: deception and tricks, hide and seek & infinite.

Edited January 1, 2018 by WaveInTheOcean

[Nahm]

@Dodo and yet there is seeing referred to.

[Dodo]

@WaveInTheOcean Interestingly, I just watched a video on this exact topic 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

14 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Joseph Maynor loa. 

That might be Leo's best video.

[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Dodo and yet there is seeing referred to.

But I don't see seeing as part of 'what is', I see it as an addition by the working mind in order to have this conversation. Just like the use of the word 'I', that doesn't mean that the I is there.

[Nahm]

@Maxx I think you could even go so far as to say that the universe is an illusion had by you, and the essence in not missing, but hidden in everpresence by being everything around you right now and ‘your person’. 

[Nahm]

@Dodo what do you mean by “I” which says that about ‘seeing’?

[Dodo]

13 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Dodo what do you mean by “I” which says that about ‘seeing’?

What I mean you can see easily too: Just become aware of your direct experience. We're talking only about the visual experience right now. So in your experience, without referring to thought (past), what do you see?  Do you not see an image just being? Only if thought gets involved there is the impression that there is a seer and a seeing. In actual experience, there is just the being of that image alone, without an entity that is being aware of it even. More like the image is aware of itself or more simply put, the image is simply being (in a mindfucky kind of way) .

Edited January 1, 2018 by Dodo

[snowleopard]

@WaveInTheOcean  Well I can see how the illusion of arrangements of molecules can be correlated to the illusion of a segregated body/self. So I suppose the illusion of an arrangement of molecules called a robot, may be correlated to the illusion of that robot being conscious. But in either case, what is dreaming is not the dream body or a dream robot. So my point still stands that materialist scientists trying to create a conscious robot are still trapped in the paradigm that assumes, a priori, that consciousness can emerge from arrangements of matter. In any case, we've gone way off topic here, and I don't see this being resolved beyond a matter of opinion, so perhaps best to let it go, and let the thread revert to the original subject ... with apologies as well to @AleksM

[Nahm]

38 minutes ago, Dodo said:

What I mean you can see easily too: Just become aware of your direct experience. We're talking only about the visual experience right now. So in your experience, without referring to thought (past), what do you see?  Do you not see an image just being? Only if thought gets involved there is the impression that there is a seer and a seeing. In actual experience, there is just the being of that image alone, without an entity that is being aware of it even. More like the image is aware of itself or more simply put, the image is simply being (in a mindfucky kind of way) .

What is that “I”

”Nothing” is hidden from you comes to mind.

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

That might be Leo's best video.

Loa w infinite regress would be somethin.  A new entry to absolute. 

[star ark]

Don't plants have some strange consciousness like qualities? 

Maybe I remember wrong but I think even myth busters got readings out of plants

But no inanimate object has ever given a reading. I have to plead ignorance as I have no idea what sort of "reading" they were getting out of plants but the old wives tales of playing classical music to plants to help them grow is another one I remember. What I'm getting at is that plants, considered to be living not inanimate like my coffee mug, seem to hold the possibility of consciousness while my coffee mug doesn't.

[Dodo]

8 minutes ago, Nahm said:

What is that “I”

”Nothing” is hidden from you comes to mind.

 

The I is a thought which refers to the empty space behind the image "I see", which contains all sorts of sensations and stuff that feel like a self that is standing there looking.

Also the image seen is drawn in such a way, that it seems like it is seen from the angle from which that cluster of sensations is "looking" which creates the illusion of seer and seen.

While in actual experience now, it is only the image.

"Emptiness looking at image" can be written more accurately as "Image simply being".

 

 

[Nahm]

@Dodo The image is being?

[Dodo]

10 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Dodo The image is being?

No, what I mean is the image simply is. 

Do you deny the isness/suchness of the image you see? Although dynamic, it is here now in direct experience. 

Im only describing to you what I see Right now without the additional beliefs that were generated in time that i am a human looking at a world, or any other beliefs i have including quantum physics and so on.

In experience, the image is one and it is surrounded by emptiness in all directions. Again, this is "open eye" investigating without referring to thoughts/beliefs from the past. This means that the eyes are also part of the visual emptiness at that moment. There are no eyes visually perceived, so it's only the image there, even if I refer to "open eyes". That's just thought.

So looked in this way, there is only the image and the image is simply being,  by itself. Not making absolute claims about the nature of reality or self, only trying to show you my contemplation.

Edited January 1, 2018 by Dodo

[Nahm]

@Dodo I understand what you’re saying. I was point at the “my” in “my contemplation”.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Maxx said:

Ok master, I bow down to you.

This issue can only be resolved with direct personal investigation. Our discussions here will forever be inadequate.

Nothing I say should be taken as Gospel. I am merely offering hints and suggestions. And sure, they might be wrong. You won't know until you investigate for yourself.

[pluto]

On 12/31/2017 at 4:25 AM, AleksM said:

@Mighty Mouse

The rate of change society is experiencing is raising exponentially, the question is only how aware you are of that. There is a big difference between this time we are being right now and the time of ancient egypt.  Don't underestimate the power of the internet.

[Guest Annetta]

@Maxx It's all just so strange.

[Joseph Maynor]

22 minutes ago, Maxx said:

I wasn't discussing with you, Leo. I was just stating my opinion, than I was just explaining something so that you maybe wise up a bit and after I read your responses I was merely criticizing. Nothing more, nothing less. That's not debating on my behalf. I've tried openly debating with you once or twice some time ago, but soon realized that you are not interested in debating. As I see it, you are interested in ending up being right and in being didactic towards others. I can assure you, I don't take anything you say as "Gospel". LOL. You are in my opinion not more advanced than me. But anyway. I don't feel any desire to talk to you anymore. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in my very humble opinion you not really interested in debating, you are even less interested in someone teaching you on this forum, and the least thing you are interested in is people criticizing you. So, I don't see the point. You won't see me worshiping you I'm afraid.

The addiction to being and feeling right is a trap!  A real nasty one.  I’ve been trapped by it myself.  The Ego is a tricky bastard.  It is hard to always see this trap because the Ego filters it out.  So people can get caught up in this trap without even being able to be aware of it.  That’s the danger of having a shadow, and we all have one too.

Edited January 2, 2018 by Joseph Maynor