Thoughts On The New Episode And Alcohol

[MM1988]

First off, I'm not a friend of alcohol and I think its a drug that rather lowers your conciousness and is much more dangerous than it is seen in our culture. I'm on board with all that, and I'm pro psychedelics. But let me give you a counter point to Leos video.

What always rubs me the wrong is the  romantization of ancient tribes, and how they are more in touch with nature than us with all there psychedelic use. And that there is some kind of conspiracy going on against mind expanding drugs to keep us down.

I mean, how much more in touch with being human can you be when doing THE nr 1 human drug alcohol. This drug is no new invention its used for socializing between humans for thousands of years by all classes across all cultures.

The government doesnt keep psychedelics under wraps, it would rather ban all drugs that make you dysfunctional in society - including alcohol. Im not saying psychedelics make you dysfunctional like a heroin addict, but while you trip you are kind of out there and thats the immediate effect that they see, so its reason enough to ban it in a backwards thinking kind of way. On the other hand they see that its impossible to ban alcohol because its so ingrained in our culture and easy to make which is not the case with LSD. The same thing is happening to weed right now in western societies. People grow it and its getting more accepted by society thats why its getting legal because there is nothing to be done about it.

The point is also most people wouldnt enjoy psychedelics like alcohol because alcohol is less complicated and more recreational so there isnt even a big demand for it in society. Like leo said, 99% of people dont want to do the work anyway.

 

I'm not advocating for alcohol just providing a counter point to the conspiracy theory like themes Leo has been throwing out in the video.

Edited October 2, 2017 by MM1988

[Leo Gura]

Stay tuned for Part 2 where you will get direct evidence of the conspiracy. It's well documented.

Mushrooms are easy to grow too and lots of people grow them.

There is a larger point here about religious freedom, and freedom to control one's own consciousness. It's really a human rights issue.

Why is it that certain churches have the right to drink DMT or eat peyote, but the rest of the population doesn't?

Imagine if alcohol was legal, but only for Catholics.

[MM1988]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Why is it that certain churches have the right to drink DMT or eat peyote, but the rest of the population doesn't?

Because its part of their religion and out of that reason the state grants them the right to practice it freely. Christian religion on which the US and western countries is culturally founded upon doesn't have psychedelic use as part of their practice (maybe it did in the past - idk - but its not as important). So from our point of view it is more of a recrationional drug than a religious thing. Compare this to Jamaica where Cannabis is actually Illegal but rastafaris have the right to smoke it as part of their religious practice. The same thing even happens in some really conservatives saudi states like dubai where alcohol is not allowed for the local population but for the westerners that work/vacation there its allowed because they know its part of our culture - this is more of a money than a religious thing because they know it would hurt tourism, but its the same principle. Is it because alcohol consumption would raise the conciousness of the saudi cititizens and destabilize their society? Most certainly not.

Im not saying this is the right way to go about it and psychedelics should be illegal, just explaining whats the reasoning behind this.

 

Also, its not like mushrooms are that forbidden and you are thrown in prison for even talking about them. Everybody can buy the spores and grow them or find them in the woods. There just isnt much demand in mainstream society so psychoactive substances like this are illegal per default, but in general the state/police doesnt really give a shit if you trip in your home, they are more focused drugs like heroin and cocaine.

 

Looking forward to part 2!

Edited October 2, 2017 by MM1988

[Leo Gura]

@MM1988 Alcohol is an unhealthy, consciousness-lowering substance and doesn't have any personal development value. Psychedelics are the opposite.

Reason they're illegal is because people are ignorant about what psychedelics are and what benefits they can provide. And because they lead to questioning of epistemic foundations, upon which all of society is predicated.

The fundamental problem is that no one who was responsible for outlawing psychedelics has ever personally experienced them, or done objective research into the scientific and clinical evidence.

[MM1988]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Reason they're illegal is because people are ignorant about what psychedelics are and what benefits they can provide. And because they lead to questioning of epistemic foundations, upon which all of society is predicated.

Its the second part I dont buy. If there were some "evil" people in power with the goal to keep the masses unconcious how could you be advocating the mind expanding properties of psychedelics freely on youtube? There are retreats, gurus, new age nuts on talk shows, lots of information on the internet and a good number artists - all advocating benefits of psychedelics freely. There are big psytrance/goa scenes all around the world holding legal parties where its generally understood that people will do psychedelics. its also generally accepted und understood in mainstream society that artists will use drugs to enhance their creativity. Its just that the average joe and the general masses dont give a shit about it, and if psychedelics were legal tommorow they wouldnt be giving a shit in 5 years either. Everybody who has the slightest interest in psychedelics can get them.

Edited October 2, 2017 by MM1988

[AlwaysBeNice]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@MM1988 Alcohol is an unhealthy, consciousness-lowering substance and doesn't have any personal development value. 

I don't know, I haven't drank in years, and I must say I was never impressed, but I wouldn't be sure about it having pd value, given some people can be more easily emotional while on it, though I don't have any experience with it.

[MM1988]

26 minutes ago, AlwaysBeNice said:

I don't know, I haven't drank in years, and I must say I was never impressed, but I wouldn't be sure about it having pd value, given some people can be more easily emotional while on it, though I don't have any experience with it.

I had some good meditaton after one beer because of the mind-numbing, anxiety lowering effects and general raised feeling of well being. Any more than that and you turn into an emotionally controlled robot though.

[Scholar]

28 minutes ago, MM1988 said:

Its the second part I dont buy. If there were some "evil" people in power with the goal to keep the masses unconcious how could you be advocating the mind expanding properties of psychedelics freely on youtube? There are retreats, gurus, new age nuts on talk shows, lots of information on the internet and a good number artists - all advocating benefits of psychedelics freely. There are big psytrance/goa scenes all around the world holding legal parties where its generally understood that people will do psychedelics. its also generally accepted und understood in mainstream society that artists will use drugs to enhance their creativity. Its just that the average joe and the general masses dont give a shit about it, and if psychedelics were legal tommorow they wouldnt be giving a shit in 5 years either. Everybody who has the slightest interest in psychedelics can get them.

There are no "evil" people, and it's probably not a conspiracy. It's a natural evolution of society. In the end our entire civilization we live in is founded on the idea that the map is the territory, that there is objective truth. People who do not agree with that objective truth are disvalued, and because people who take psychedelics do not agree with that objective truth, you will have a reaction against that medium. There is probably no one around who is thinking "Oh we need to ban psychedelics because it wakes people up and we have to keep them asleep!", it's more like from their perspective, people who do not agree with objective truth are just crazy, and because psychedelics seem to form these kinds of people, the usage of these substances are valued as crazy aswell.

It's really all about disagreement and agreement. The question whether or not it's a conscious and deliberate conspiracy like for example the catholic church has done in the past with global populations is questionable. It's probably simply mass ignorance, and maybe an unconscious mechanism of control. For a stable society to develope certain mechanism need to evolve to keep the society stable. Much like the ego in the human mind is not a conscious conspirator, and simply a mechanism that evolved to ensure survival of the organism, it is much the same in the organization of society and civilization. 

[DoubleYou]

1 hour ago, Shiva said:

You can also buy them in designated shops in Amsterdam. They're legal there.

Sadly, ever since 2008 they became illegal, except for truffles. You can still buy grow-kits. For "educational" purposes. 
I just ordered my first grow-kit online. Conveniently brought to me by the delivery guy.

Haven't tripped in years tho. Looking forward to it.