Magic Truffles For Beginners

[egoless]

I want to try psychedelics but don't really want to start with heavy ones. What is the real difference between magic truffles and mushrooms and can truffles be used for some serious insights? It seems like it is nice idea to try truffles first before shrooms. There are different types of truffles for example: Tampanensis, Mexicana, Fantasia, Mokum, Atlantis and strongest ones: Pandora, Holandia, Utopia. all of them have different scores for different effects for example: visuals, creativity, philosophical. I want to ask experienced people here which type do you suggest me to start with and how much is optimal in the beginning. Can truffles replace the shrooms?

[AlwaysBeNice]

Makes no difference, 15 gram truffles are about 3 grams dried mushrooms, it's about the psilocybin.

It depends on how much stability and wisdom you have about your mind, your emotions and consciousness on how much you can take.

Given most people do sort of fine on these things even when they are unspiritual, having some understanding of this ordeal and some meditative experience should make it fine, but do not underestimate.

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The most important thing is the wisdom/stability, aside from that a good guide(+friend) can be really helpful of course, but they maybe rare to find.

After that I would say, just make sure you are in a place where you feel comfortable, in the sense that you probably won't be bothered and can feel free to be emotional and make sound.

But you've got nothing to lose and nothing that can hurt you ultimately.

Remember also you can only really think craziness, see 'craziness' but your being always remains balanced no matter what.

[egoless]

19 minutes ago, AlwaysBeNice said:

Makes no difference, 15 gram truffles are about 3 grams dried mushrooms, it's about the psilocybin.

It depends on how much stability and wisdom you have about your mind, your emotions and consciousness on how much you can take.

Given most people do sort of fine on these things even when they are unspiritual, having some understanding of this ordeal and some meditative experience should make it fine, but do not underestimate.

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The most important thing is the wisdom/stability, aside from that a good guide(+friend) can be really helpful of course, but they maybe rare to find.

After that I would say, just make sure you are in a place where you feel comfortable, in the sense that you probably won't be bothered and can feel free to be emotional and make sound.

But you've got nothing to lose and nothing that can hurt you ultimately.

Remember also you can only really think craziness, see 'craziness' but your being always remains balanced no matter what.

Thanks for tips. I am going to experience it alone. I am abroad and don't really trust anybody that much here. Is 15 grams a good starting point or should I lower to probably 10 grams? What about names I listed because it seems like they have different kinds of effects.

[egoless]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

@egoless Be careful with doing psychedelics around people that give off negative vibes or in a situation where there could be negative vibes.  Don't listen to dark music either.  I had one of my worst mushroom trips listening to "The Wall" by Pink Floyd.  That album has a lot of angst in it.

I'm not going to listen to music for my first trip. And I am going to do it alone in my room. Any tips about how to make my trip more powerful to experiences of non duality? 

[AlwaysBeNice]

3 minutes ago, egoless said:

Thanks for tips. I am going to experience it alone. I am abroad and don't really trust anybody that much here. Is 15 grams a good starting point or should I lower to probably 10 grams? What about names I listed because it seems like they have different kinds of effects.

Maybe 10 if you want to be sure it's pretty light, but 15 should be fine.

Also ultimately there are no bad vibes though, it's all one energy, only contraction (fear) creates disharmony and suffering (but not even for the real self). But paradoxically there are more harmonious vibes yeah, but it's got to know ultimately you are good what ever occurs.

[AlwaysBeNice]

2 minutes ago, egoless said:

I'm not going to listen to music for my first trip. And I am going to do it alone in my room. Any tips about how to make my trip more powerful to experiences of non duality? 

Practice self-inquiry/do nothing.

It will stir up fear/thoughts, see it, observe it (and thus know that you are not it, you are beyond it), and just be as you are.

And remember, as long as something is only true as long as you think it, it's not really true.

[DoubleYou]

18 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

@egoless Be careful with doing psychedelics around people that give off negative vibes or in a situation where there could be negative vibes.  Don't listen to dark music either.  I had one of my worst mushroom trips listening to "The Wall" by Pink Floyd.  That album has a lot of angst in it.  I was also with a people that gave off negative vibes.  It triggered me into a state of panic.

That reminds me of my first 'bad' trip, back when I was young. Saucerful of Secrets by Pink Floyd was playing, which is like a 12 minute piece of random frightening noises. Completely fucked me up, and I didn't even think of the possibility of putting on a different song, weirdly enough.  

But yeah, I can see how the Wall could do that. It's not a positive story I guess.

[Joseph Maynor]

@DoubleYou Haha.  You got it!

[egoless]

Guys I also study abroad right now will it interfere with my future study process? Does it make me unproductive or depressed over the period?

[egoless]

I want to start with truffles but want to get sure that everything does not go wrong. On the internet some people say that there were reports when people were committing suicide because of shrooms. Can this happen on small doses and with truffles? Also I want your advise about environment:

Is it better to be in a dark room or light?

Do I need sitter for a first time? (I don't have one)

What is the worst possibility for 15 g truffles?

Is there any possible way to stop trip if it goes bad?

any tips of how to use the trip time? (techniques, meditation, inquiry..)

[Heart of Space]

Those scores on the labels are complete horse shit by the way.  Take 3 grams first, 2 if you're a bit of a pussy.  Nothing wrong with being a pussy on your first time, sometimes it's a good idea.  

[Heart of Space]

7 hours ago, egoless said:

I want to start with truffles but want to get sure that everything does not go wrong. On the internet some people say that there were reports when people were committing suicide because of shrooms. Can this happen on small doses and with truffles? Also I want your advise about environment:

Is it better to be in a dark room or light?

Do I need sitter for a first time? (I don't have one)

What is the worst possibility for 15 g truffles?

Is there any possible way to stop trip if it goes bad?

any tips of how to use the trip time? (techniques, meditation, inquiry..)

You're overthinking a mild mushroom trip me thinks.  I'd say, yes to trip sitter, but for all other things you may want to acclimate yourself with the psychedelic experience first before you start making too many plans.  Because if you actually go into even mildly deep water your plan will go bye bye.  

Edited September 29, 2017 by Heart of Space

[Leo Gura]

@egoless Don't worry too much about it. Just start with a tiny dose in a comfortable setting on an empty stomach.

[DoubleYou]

9 hours ago, egoless said:

I want to start with truffles but want to get sure that everything does not go wrong. On the internet some people say that there were reports when people were committing suicide because of shrooms. Can this happen on small doses and with truffles? Also I want your advise about environment:

Is it better to be in a dark room or light?

Do I need sitter for a first time? (I don't have one)

What is the worst possibility for 15 g truffles?

Is there any possible way to stop trip if it goes bad?

any tips of how to use the trip time? (techniques, meditation, inquiry..)

You're focussing on all the negatives. It's gonna be a lot of fun actually. You'll see

Honestly though, if it were me doing my first trip, I'd probably just use this trip to get get comfortable with the thing. Enjoy it. And then return for a second trip to dive deep with meditation/inquiry. But you'll know what to do when it happens.

[egoless]

2 hours ago, DoubleYou said:

You're focussing on all the negatives. It's gonna be a lot of fun actually. You'll see

Honestly though, if it were me doing my first trip, I'd probably just use this trip to get get comfortable with the thing. Enjoy it. And then return for a second trip to dive deep with meditation/inquiry. But you'll know what to do when it happens.

As suggested I researched a lot about shooms and maybe that was a bad idea. I am now really overthinking because of that... I read many negative feed backs about possible long term effects like these: 

Flashbacks that may be pleasant or a living nightmare; may be caused by using other drugs or by engaging in physical exercise; have appeared weeks, months, and even years after the use of mushrooms

Sustained depression

Lack of motivation

Panic attacks

Compromised memory

Inability to concentate

Severe mental disturbances

Psychosis

Delusions

[egoless]

@Leo Gura In this video you mention these words: - "this is it! This is the deepest point! I am fully Enlightened!" while describing your trip on mushrooms. So my question is - is a real ego death and Enlightenment experience possible on Mushrooms and truffels as well as you get from 5-Meo-Dmt? 

 

Edited September 29, 2017 by egoless

[cetus]

On ‎9‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 1:37 PM, DoubleYou said:

That reminds me of my first 'bad' trip, back when I was young. Saucerful of Secrets by Pink Floyd was playing, which is like a 12 minute piece of random frightening noises.

@DoubleYou @Joseph Maynor Here's a good one by Santana. Something about it really messes with the ego. It sounds.......primordial or something. Maybe Joe can play this one on his horn?

 

[cetus]

Opps! What happened?

[egoless]

23 minutes ago, cetus56 said:

Opps! What happened?

Idk maybe shroom happened haha

[Forestluv]

21 hours ago, egoless said:

I want to start with truffles but want to get sure that everything does not go wrong. On the internet some people say that there were reports when people were committing suicide because of shrooms. Can this happen on small doses and with truffles? Also I want your advise about environment:

Is it better to be in a dark room or light?

Do I need sitter for a first time? (I don't have one)

What is the worst possibility for 15 g truffles?

Is there any possible way to stop trip if it goes bad?

any tips of how to use the trip time? (techniques, meditation, inquiry..)

There have been studies showing that psychedelics are among the lowest risk for harm to oneself and others. There are precautions though, like don't mix them with SSRI medication.

Based on my reading a lot of message boards, it seems "bad trips" are often due to inexperienced people looking for a drug-induced high - taking too high of a dose and freaking out when they lose touch with reality. I generally trip solo.

For me, I would plan on tripping multiple times and starting with a small-moderate dose. If reality gets strange, sometimes it's cool and fun. Sometimes it can be unsettling and the mind can make up some freaky stories.  If I'm still in touch with reality, I can settle myself down by thinking "This isn't real, it will wear off in a few hours".

I've experienced some nondual sensations on high doses beyond the "ego death" zone. Yet, there is also confusion and thought loops. So, not my favorite place to go. With experience, I've been aware of nondual sensations on low doses, yet it took experience to let go and relax into it. There can be a strange feeling and sense of losing control - it can lead to anxiety of the unkown and what could happen. Losing contact with what you thought was real can be unsettling. One time, I felt like I was in a reality within a reality within in a reality. I didn't know which was real and the anxiety started building. Then I was like, "This is kinda like the movie Inception, it could be cool". That was enough to steer things in another direction.

Set and setting is really important. I get much more empathetic on shrooms and some things feel 10X intense. Like the bratty kid screaming outside sounds like he is being beaten and tortured by his parents. Yet, a touching scene of a surprise birthday party of TV can be the most beautiful thing ever and send me into tears, love and joy. . . I absolutely avoid all negative, violent, dark music or videos. It all gets amplified.  Dark or light isn't too important to me. The visuals are better in the dark and with closed eyes. I generally go with the flow. Sometimes I can experience music at another level and want to dance. Other times, I go for a walk and experience flowers, insects, animals, clouds and trees totally differently.

During the afterglow, I am still very empathetic and in tune with my surroundings. Yet, now I can interact with people now problem. I love to go for a walk in the neighborhood or nature during the after glow.