Who Does The Body Belong To?

[John Iverson]

3 minutes ago, Erlend K said:

What do you mean by this statement? And what are you basing it on?

You speak based on what you think.... if you speak based on what you think it is the EGO who is speaking 

[Erlend K]

Yea, no kidding.. I know which post you quoted.

I was asking what made you think this was my ego speaking.

Was this some general idea that everything spoken or written in words per definition has to be ego based, since use of language requires thought? Or was there something specific about my post you interpreted as ego based?

[Max_V]

@Shiva hahaha love it

[John Iverson]

19 minutes ago, Erlend K said:

Yea, no kidding.. I know which post you quoted.

I was asking what made you think this was my ego speaking.

Was this some general idea that everything spoken or written in words per definition has to be ego based, since use of language requires thought? Or was there something specific about my post you interpreted as ego based?

I don't made it.. I don't think it.. non of those coming from I... it is you the ego speaking right now that is unconsciously asking those   what is speaking to you right now is not what you think it is not the ego it is the life expressing itself  can you see it? How life express itself through this... don't think notice that you are thinking right now

[John Iverson]

31 minutes ago, Shiva said:

Jesus

Jesus is also you but you are not God if you are the person    and you can also read that in the bible.. 

 

Genesis 1:27New King James Version (NKJV)

27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

 

 

[Erlend K]

11 minutes ago, John Iverson said:

I don't made it.. I don't think it.. non of those coming from I... it is you the ego speaking right now that is unconsciously asking those   what is speaking to you right now is not what you think it is not the ego it is the life expressing itself  can you see it? How life express itself through this... don't think notice that you are thinking right now

Ok, whatever then. I though you were interested in a discussion about this.

I really hope this is a weird attempt at being funny, and that you are not really as pretentious as you present yourself to be.

[John Iverson]

I already pointed what you are not conscious about.... if you believ that something need to be discuss it is the ego speaking to you that something need to be discuss.. 

[John Iverson]

40 minutes ago, Erlend K said:

Ok, whatever then. I though you were interested in a discussion about this.

I really hope this is a weird attempt at being funny, and that you are not really as pretentious as you present yourself to be.

I already pointed what you are not conscious about.... if you believ that something need to be discuss it is the ego way of seducing you to ask more questions... and you will fail for doing that.. don't be a servant of your ego ....

[Erlend K]

1 minute ago, John Iverson said:

I already pointed what you are not conscious about.... if you believ that something need to be discuss it is the ego way of seducing you to ask more questions... and you will fail for doing that.. don't be a servant of your ego ....

There is nothing that "needs" to be discussed. We don't discuss because we "need" to. The whole point of this forum is to have discussions about our ideas. We do this partly for fun/intellectual stimulation, partly to boost our own egos by trying to sound clever and insightful, but also partly to have our our ideas challenged, so that we can identify and weed out the weak parts. We do that be being asked to justify our established views. Everytime we realize that we lack a solid justification for one of our views we (ideally) get that aha!-moment where we realize we have just gotten used to labeling something as true/false on insufficient grounds. What are you doing on a discussion forum if you don't want to articulate and have your views challenged?

Did you feel like you pointed out something I was not conscious about? 

Instead if trying to articulate your views and engage in a meaningful discussion, you just give me these generic, reductive, spiritualish phrases. It is just a way to shut down conversations and dosn't benefit anyone

Your view: "if you speak based on what you think it is the EGO who is speaking"

I have the opposite point of view. You never know for sure if what you say is true. At best you only state what you think is true. Accepting this and admitting that your ideas is just something you think is true seems to me like a sign of a healthy ego. Blindness to this and belief that you know something to be true just because it feels true seems like a sign of an unhealthy ego.

If you want to discuss this, that's cool. If not, that's cool too. Whatever.

 

[John Iverson]

15 minutes ago, Erlend K said:

There is nothing that "needs" to be discussed. We don't discuss because we "need" to. The whole point of this forum is to have discussions about our ideas. We do this partly for fun/intellectual stimulation, partly to boost our own egos by trying to sound clever and insightful, but also partly to have our our ideas challenged, so that we can identify and weed out the weak parts. We do that be being asked to justify our established views. Everytime we realize that we lack a solid justification for one of our views we (ideally) get that aha!-moment where we realize we have just gotten used to labeling something as true/false on insufficient grounds. What are you doing on a discussion forum if you don't want to articulate and have your views challenged?

Did you feel like you pointed out something I was not conscious about? 

Instead if trying to articulate your views and engage in a meaningful discussion, you just give me these generic, reductive, spiritualish phrases. It is just a way to shut down conversations and dosn't benefit anyone

Your view: "if you speak based on what you think it is the EGO who is speaking"

I have the opposite point of view. You never know for sure if what you say is true. At best you only state what you think is true. Accepting this and admitting that your ideas is just something you think is true seems to me like a sign of a healthy ego. Blindness to this and belief that you know something to be true just because it feels true seems like a sign of an unhealthy ego.

If you want to discuss this, that's cool. If not, that's cool too. Whatever.

 

this forum is not for fun... be serious about this ... this work it is not easy... all i said is not views, not an idea.. Absolute Truth, enlightenment, etc.. are not something that based on views that you challenged it if you got it.. if you got it will understand each one of us is the same experiences the reason why ego to ego cannot understand each other ? Like you... what you said is based on  think or view... don't conclude that as if you know what i am talking about... it is something that even the view cannot grasp it even the knowledge cannot tooo.. this is something that if you understand it you will not say those things to me.. you are dreaming right now but are you conscious enough to see it??  See you in oneness someday... you will see me in everywhere right now.. I'm saying hello to you right now.. but do you see me? Hahahaha thinking cannot see me ... you cannot also se Leo if you use thinking..  ahahahhaha

Edited August 25, 2017 by John Iverson

[John Iverson]

Right now you see me as a person Also Leo you see him as person.. you see each one of us and you believe that we say things here is based on thinking? Or views?? Nooooooo!! There is only life expressing itself and consciousness Leo is an example of consciousness speaking to you HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!! Be conscious enough to notice that you are judging someone...  after you judge you jump to conclusions  hahaha do you see it??  AHA MOMENT IS NOT IDEAL AAHAHAHAH!! ... also ALL OF THIS IS part of reality.. even the thoughts ego is reality  if you say false? Where did it come from? You conceptualized it unconsciously ... it is your illusion it is the ego speaking to me right now.. hahhahaa someday you will see if ego is talking... good luck  

42 minutes ago, Erlend K said:

There is nothing that "needs" to be discussed. We don't discuss because we "need" to. The whole point of this forum is to have discussions about our ideas. We do this partly for fun/intellectual stimulation, partly to boost our own egos by trying to sound clever and insightful, but also partly to have our our ideas challenged, so that we can identify and weed out the weak parts. We do that be being asked to justify our established views. Everytime we realize that we lack a solid justification for one of our views we (ideally) get that aha!-moment where we realize we have just gotten used to labeling something as true/false on insufficient grounds. What are you doing on a discussion forum if you don't want to articulate and have your views challenged?

Did you feel like you pointed out something I was not conscious about? 

Instead if trying to articulate your views and engage in a meaningful discussion, you just give me these generic, reductive, spiritualish phrases. It is just a way to shut down conversations and dosn't benefit anyone

Your view: "if you speak based on what you think it is the EGO who is speaking"

I have the opposite point of view. You never know for sure if what you say is true. At best you only state what you think is true. Accepting this and admitting that your ideas is just something you think is true seems to me like a sign of a healthy ego. Blindness to this and belief that you know something to be true just because it feels true seems like a sign of an unhealthy ego.

If you want to discuss this, that's cool. If not, that's cool too. Whatever.

 

 

[John Iverson]

1 hour ago, Erlend K said:

There is nothing that "needs" to be discussed. We don't discuss because we "need" to. The whole point of this forum is to have discussions about our ideas. We do this partly for fun/intellectual stimulation, partly to boost our own egos by trying to sound clever and insightful, but also partly to have our our ideas challenged, so that we can identify and weed out the weak parts. We do that be being asked to justify our established views. Everytime we realize that we lack a solid justification for one of our views we (ideally) get that aha!-moment where we realize we have just gotten used to labeling something as true/false on insufficient grounds. What are you doing on a discussion forum if you don't want to articulate and have your views challenged?

Did you feel like you pointed out something I was not conscious about? 

Instead if trying to articulate your views and engage in a meaningful discussion, you just give me these generic, reductive, spiritualish phrases. It is just a way to shut down conversations and dosn't benefit anyone

Your view: "if you speak based on what you think it is the EGO who is speaking"

I have the opposite point of view. You never know for sure if what you say is true. At best you only state what you think is true. Accepting this and admitting that your ideas is just something you think is true seems to me like a sign of a healthy ego. Blindness to this and belief that you know something to be true just because it feels true seems like a sign of an unhealthy ego.

If you want to discuss this, that's cool. If not, that's cool too. Whatever.

 

I do not tolerate ego ..and give in to discuss things... i point ego to see it for yourself not to satisfy your ego :D...  It is a waste of time... you are here because you feel lost..because life express and you are now here... so me as i know who am i now, the help i can give you is to point where the ego is  hahahha not to beating around the bush.. i point the exact... 

[Erlend K]

54 minutes ago, John Iverson said:

this forum is not for fun... be serious about this ... this work it is not easy... all i said is not views, not an idea..  

It dosn't take hard work declaring than anyone who disagree with your views, and yes they are views even if you experience them as undeniable facts, per definition has to be speaking from their ego. It's a lot easier to dismiss than to actualy try to understand another persons perspective.

You seem to be confirming what I suggested. Your view seems to be that what I'm saying 100% sertainly comes from ego and must be false, while what you are saying 100% sertainly dosn't come from ego and have to be true. The foundation of wisdom is to know that you don't know anything. Any idea we hold true is an assumption/view. Nomatter how true this feels for you it remains nothing but a view. 

To paraphraze the condesending line you used in your post "one day (when you are as wise and insightful as the Oh so great me) you will realize this. 

[John Iverson]

6 minutes ago, Erlend K said:

It dosn't take hard work declaring than anyone who disagree with your views, and yes they are views even if you experience them as undeniable facts, per definition has to be speaking from their ego. It's a lot easier to dismiss than to actualy try to understand another persons perspective.

You seem to be confirming what I suggested. Your view seems to be that what I'm saying 100% sertainly comes from ego and must be false, while what you are saying 100% sertainly dosn't come from ego and have to be true. The foundation of wisdom is to know that you don't know anything. Any idea we hold true is an assumption/view. Nomatter how true this feels for you it remains nothing but a view. 

To paraphraze the condesending line you used in your post "one day (when you are as wise and insightful as the Oh so great me) you will realize this. 

Okay , HAHA YOU will suffer many years of your life goodluck :D...  enjoy your ego HAHAHHA! Be the best PERSON WITH YOUR IDEAS AND VIEWS  limit yourself to the ideas and views aahahahhahhah

Edited August 25, 2017 by John Iverson

[Shin]

1 hour ago, John Iverson said:

Okay , HAHA YOU will suffer many years of your life goodluck :D...  enjoy your ego HAHAHHA! Be the best PERSON WITH YOUR IDEAS AND VIEWS  limit yourself to the ideas and views aahahahhahhah

You will laugh way more when you'll realized that you're 200% more egotic than everyone in here

Edited August 25, 2017 by Shin

[Max_V]

@John Iverson I don't know if you've noticed, but your message has projection written all over it.

You should stop trying to tell others about their ego's and look at your own. Telling others about theirs won't improve their situation nor yours at all.

[John Iverson]

1 hour ago, Shin said:

You will laugh way more when you'll realized that you're 200% more egotic than everyone in here

 

53 minutes ago, Max_V said:

@John Iverson I don't know if you've noticed, but your message has projection written all over it.

You should stop trying to tell others about their ego's and look at your own. Telling others about theirs won't improve their situation nor yours at all.

They are the one who can improve it by themselves.. What r u saying ?? I don't say it as if that i am now in the stage that totally i am free to the ego.. atleast As of today , now ego is my friend.. my mind is convinced that it is illusory it is the one who will trap itself to be able for me to see clearly,my mind move amd say it to me that heh remember this remember that... i see it but I don't cling to it i know i see that it is the thought.. but i can distinctions that non of those is me.. the one you remove even the consciousness if you remove all the only one who can never be removed is me.. the trie self .. i have this aha moment.. so i give back to life.. i know how ego control each one of you.. ego use even your meditation or contemplating for you to lost... i point the ego in you not to project.. ego can stick me anytime but it cannot now remove the truth that i finally now i achieved through process.. my own process.. don't depend on a concept.. or stick what Leo said to you.. or a guru said to you.. if you are aware I don't say anything according to what is needed.. or what you must do.. there is no need to do.. i've been there so for you to be aware opsss not to fall from destruction i will help you .. i point that ego for you to be aware of that so you don't  consume too much time.. you will waste your time.. doing things that ego is trying to say to you... I already achieved oneness ... that even the ego i see it in others.. if you achieve it is effortlessly see all.. it is effortless to see everything...it is effortless  it is also help me to confirm always for me to do not forget what i achieved right now...  i only point.. thats it...  i also point my ego if ego comes out.. you cannot attain it by meditation as is haha that is why i point.. not to say a concept.. you don't need a concept or.. to do contemplate.. because ego will use that.. don't cling have your own discovery of truth based on your awareness and consciousness.. you will never fall in to traps ... 

Edited August 25, 2017 by John Iverson

[orroz]

does it really needs to belong to some one?

a copyright

[John Iverson]

1 hour ago, orroz said:

does it really needs to belong to some one?

a copyright

None.. all you've seen, experienced, even realities you can't see is belongs to non... it express itself naturally... 

[Toby]

@John Iverson my sense is that you had some insight and got a bit too high on it and now you are preaching what your ego turned that into. I could be wrong though.