Infinite Awareness And Darwinian Evolution

[momo]

if infinite awareness is capable of everything why humans didn't came without evolution , I mean why need evolution when infinite awareness can just make every creature come on its own without needing his ancestor to evolve ?

[SLICKHAWK]

I do not see how we evolve. Seems we were created not as Darwin would explain.. If we were to evolve imagine there would be other evolution of man supior and evolved to the lower evolve.

 We would walk with cavemen now and evolution would have grown over thousand years enough to see in other animal species as well..

The sun is hot the earth is cold somthing is off in the vibration. Our world is not that old perhaps only 6 to 7 thousand years not millions or billions.

[Prabhaker]

@momo

With man, the natural, automatic process of evolution ends. Man is the last product of unconscious evolution. With man, conscious evolution begins. Many things are to be taken into account.

First, unconscious evolution is mechanical and natural. It happens by itself. Through this type of evolution, consciousness evolves. But the moment consciousness comes into being, unconscious evolution stops because its purpose has been fulfilled. Unconscious evolution is needed only up to the point where the conscious comes into being. Man has become conscious. In a way, he has transcended nature. Now nature cannot do anything; the last product that was possible through natural evolution has come into being. Now man becomes free to decide whether to evolve or not to evolve.

Secondly, unconscious evolution is collective, but the moment evolution becomes conscious it becomes individual. No collective, automatic evolution proceeds further than mankind. From now on, evolution becomes an individual process. Consciousness creates individuality. Before consciousness evolves, there is no individuality. Only species exist, not individuality.

When evolution is still unconscious, it is an automatic process; there is no uncertainty about it. Things happen through the law of cause and effect. Existence is mechanical and certain. But with man, with consciousness, uncertainty comes into existence. Now, nothing is certain. Evolution may take place or it may not. The potential is there, but the choice will rest entirely with each individual.

The Psychology of the Esoteric~Osho

Evolution is unconscious. No volition is needed, no conscious effort: it is just natural. But once consciousness evolves, then it is a totally different matter. Once consciousness is there, evolution stops. Evolution is only up to consciousness; the work of evolution is to create consciousness. Once consciousness is there, evolution stops. Then the whole responsibility falls upon consciousness itself. So this has to be understood in many ways.

Man is not evolving now. Since long, man has not been evolving. Evolution has stopped as far as man is concerned. The body has come to its peak, the human body has not evolved since long.

The most ancient bones and the most ancient human bodies that have been found are not basically different from our bodies; there is no basic difference. If a human body which is one hundred thousand years old can be revived and trained, it will be just like yours; there will be no difference at all.

The human body has stopped evolving. When did it stop? When consciousness comes in, evolution's work is over. Now it is up to you to evolve. So man remains static, not evolving, unless he himself endeavours. Now, beyond man, everything will be conscious. Below man everything is unconscious. With man a new factor has entered - the factor of awareness, the factor of consciousness. With this factor, evolution's work is over. Evolution is to create a situation in which consciousness evolves. Once consciousness enters in, then the whole responsibility is on consciousness. So now man will not evolve naturally. There will be no evolution.

Consciousness is the peak of evolution - the last step. But it is not the last step of life.

Consciousness is the last step of evolution - of all animal heritage. It is the last step - the climax, the peak - but for further growth, it has to be the first step. And when I say that evolution has stopped, I mean that now an inner effort is needed. Now, unless you do something, you will not evolve. Nature has brought you to a point which is the last for unconscious growth. Now you are aware; now you know. When you know, you are responsible.

  Osho ~ The Ultimate Alchemy Volume 2 

[LaucherJunge]

20 hours ago, momo said:

if infinite awareness is capable of everything why humans didn't came without evolution , I mean why need evolution when infinite awareness can just make every creature come on its own without needing his ancestor to evolve ?

This is very simple to explain.
1. Our Dimension includes time only in our perception in the "perception" of source it is all instant, everything already happened and still is happening at the same time. So time is no complication at all for source it is merely a possibility for source to experience itself in a certain way out of our point of view.
2. If existence is absolute infinity, every possibility of being exists and we are one of those possibilities, so how could it not exist as it does right now.

Edited August 7, 2017 by LaucherJunge

[Dodo]

IF you're subscribed to the religion of past, future and matter, then Darwinian model is a good explanation. 

If you see the truth of awareness and the eternal now, perhaps it's just a story explaining illusion. The truth about something that is false perhaps is not that important and is even adding to the solidity of the illusion. 

Edited August 7, 2017 by Dodo

[Echoes]

@momo @momo Look up Rupert Sheldrake and Morphic Resonance/Morphogenetic Fields. He is a biologist and a true scientist, who is aware of spirituality and doesn't follow the materialistic dogma of most academia.

"To give some background, Sheldrake was a world authority on auxin in plants and plant hormones in the 1970s and 80s with numerous publications in nature and other journals. Then he shocked the scientific community by publishing a new theory of life based on field theory. He called the field a morphogenetic field, a self organizing field that can be used at all levels of complexity to explain mechanical biology. He claims that since matter is less fundamental than fields and energy (my cursory year studying physics at uni is in agreement with this proclamation), and materialism is based on the philosophy that the most fundamental thing is matter, materialism is no longer a philosophy with scientific support. 

To try to explain the morphology and evolution of complex life Sheldrake is essentially expanding field theory used every day in physics into biology and life sciences. He defines morphogenesis as the coming into being of form, the way that animals plants and even crystals come into being via some formative process. He posits that molecular biology, DNA genes and chemicals alone can not explain morphogenesis, and the morphogenetic field provides a kind of blueprint for the chemicals and biological material to follow. [...]

"[...] Attempting to counter reductionism with a holistic perspective Sheldrake assigns a nested heirchy to the morphogenetic field so the field of an organelle cell is inside the field of the cell, the field of the cell is inside the field of the tissue, the field of the tissue is inside the field of the organ; and these fields work on the lower level fields of the system, giving them morphology and pattern. Sheldrake also states that the morphogenetic field is only one kind of organizing field, the nervous system is highly indeterminate in its behavior and is moderated by another set of fields, behavioral fields. Mental activity is moderated by mental fields. Social groups like flocks of birds or termites are moderated by social fields. All these fields Sheldrake refers to as morphic fields, and morphic fields are the general category of which morphogenetic fields are only one species, the kind of field for the development of form of life as we know it on Earth. 

Sheldrake claims that the mathematics of the field is chaos theory and other branches of modern dynamics, including some intrinsic field probability properties, as everything we associate with life in science is pretty much indeterminate over a long time frame. Just like the weather is a chaotic system so does not obey definite laws life is more probabilistic than deterministic, if you look at all the different leaves on a specific tree they all gave the same mechanical building blocks they all have the same genes and the same morphogenetic fields yet every leaf is different"

Explanation and full text from here: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread939018/pg1

 

[Bronsoval]

On 8/6/2017 at 7:48 AM, momo said:

if infinite awareness is capable of everything why humans didn't came without evolution , I mean why need evolution when infinite awareness can just make every creature come on its own without needing his ancestor to evolve ?

Because "BAM! Humans!" is less intriging than, "a bajillion years ago a tadpole crawled out of a puddle and grew legs." For all we know it could have been Bam! Humans!  Science is constantly proving itself wrong