Why Do You Guys Bother Listening To Leo Anymore?

[Alii]

@Lord God  Even if your tone sounds trolly, I agree. 

 

This forum feels like mental masturbation heaven. And I find it amusing how the only people who got offended are the ones who are on this website 24/7 (no offense, just getting my thoughts out there) 

Edited July 26, 2017 by Alii

[Dodo]

@Loreena All I want to point out is that those people you are pointing out as dogmatic operate under the same standard as you do. Every person is dogmatic. Only no-person can be free of dogma. 

I'm not attacking you, i don't get why you're pointing out the things you're pointing out about my statements.

Every person thinks their truth is the true truth, that's why they defend what they think they know.

Have you experienced that there are only relative truths or do you believe that? Your defensive energy streaming through your posts shows me that you have not.

Edited July 26, 2017 by Dodo

[Shanmugam]

19 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Beliefs are lies and should be removed. Ofcourse I will be sceptical of them. I'm on the search for truths,  not beliefs.

"I know nothing" 

"I know something"

"I know everything"

All those are beliefs if there is no I in the first place. But these statements sneakily imply that there is an I, as if it is true.

 

ok... then try posting without using the word 'I' for the next ten days, if you can.

 Language itself is dualistic, so you cannot really speak anything without implying some duality...

[Dodo]

22 minutes ago, Shanmugam said:

ok... then try posting without using the word 'I' for the next ten days, if you can.

 Language itself is dualistic, so you cannot really speak anything without implying some duality...

Incorrect assumptions about what Dodoster is expressing with all this. It's ok. Shanmugam is taking a piece out of a whole conversation, taking it out of context. Dodoster has no time for explanations. 

23 minutes ago, Loreena said:

This is like a circle of hypocrisy. When someone has a perspective its one thing, calling it absolute is another, calling it relative much better because there's no proof but trashing another's perspective is in itself an inability to accept radical concepts and lack of open mindedness and dismissing it as inconsistent is poor judgment. The one who is trashing another's perspectives is the one who is having problems because there's no need to do that in the first place unless the ego calls for it. 

Yes, it is a circle of hypocrisy. Dodoster is only worried that Loreena is not seeing it in herself while you she is pointing it out in others. It's ok if Loreena does see it in herself. Now she can grow.

That's why Dodoster thinks silence is the only solution to the circle of hypocrisy. 

PS:
To clarify, Loreena's posts are trashing Dodoster's perspective, because Dodoster's posts are trashing Loreena's perspectives. Loreena should read her posts as if they are directed towards herself and she will see that they are self-defeating. @Loreena
 

 

Edited July 26, 2017 by Dodo

[Shanmugam]

1 minute ago, Dodo said:

Incorrect assumptions about what Dodoster is expressing with all this. It's ok. Shanmugam is taking a piece out of a whole conversation, taking it out of context. Dodoster has no time for explanations. 

Yes, you are right, I was taking a piece out of conversation... I will go through the whole thread now..

By the way, who is Dodoster?

[Dodo]

5 minutes ago, Shanmugam said:

Yes, you are right, I was taking a piece out of conversation... I will go through the whole thread now..

By the way, who is Dodoster?

Dodoster's guess is that Dodoster is probably a figment of nothingness' imagination.

[Principium Nexus]

@Dodo Lets assume that the non-existence of the I also also but an idea. Everything exists as personal self as it does not. Everything is relative from other perspectives, but the truth which is experienced by the I is absolute.

Experience from the self cannot be relative because it is the self that can only experience itself and nothing else.

I notice that there seems to be two distinct views. One where everything is reasoned from the no-self/non-duality/non-symbolic truth and the opposite where we view our truths from the personal self/duality/symbolic interpretations (thought,literature, aka things we interpret with a certain meaning).

I think both perspectives are equally true because we still live a human life and within this context symbolic things do have meaning, but the value solely depends on you. Whereas the "absolute" non-identity, void, is where it all arises from but we cannot practically build upon this because it is not based on growing the self, its basically the opposite.

So I assume that absolutes exist within relativity which are in turn again relative and absolute in their own temporary way. Like finites (concepts) exist in the infinite (void), they go hand in hand to make reality tick.

So can't we say both arguments are right. Reality is so paradoxical ?

Edited July 26, 2017 by Principium Nexus

[Dodo]

54 minutes ago, Principium Nexus said:

@Dodo Lets assume that the non-existence of the I also also but an idea. Everything exists as personal self as it does not. Everything is relative from other perspectives, but the truth which is experienced by the I is absolute.

Experience from the self cannot be relative because it is the self that can only experience itself and nothing else.

I notice that there seems to be two distinct views. One where everything is reasoned from the no-self/non-duality/non-symbolic truth and the opposite where we view our truths from the personal self/duality/symbolic interpretations (thought,literature, aka things we interpret with a certain meaning).

I think both perspectives are equally true because we still live a human life and within this context symbolic things do have meaning, but the value solely depends on you. Whereas the "absolute" non-identity, void, is where it all arises from but we cannot practically build upon this because it is not based on growing the self, its basically the opposite.

So I assume that absolutes exist within relativity which are in turn again relative and absolute in their own temporary way. Like finites (concepts) exist in the infinite (void), they go hand in hand to make reality tick.

So can't we say both arguments are right. Reality is so paradoxical ?

Yeah we can say both are right, we can also say both are wrong, right? That's why Dodoster thinks this is so tricky, because people like to stop at "Include everything" as a mental concept, whereas that means to be rejecting the opposite of "include everything". No-one can be all inclusive and accepting of viewpoints, but the no-one itself. Dodoster doesn't know. It just feels like a no brainer - pun intended  

Maybe that's why the stress is always on Practise and not theory, because theory can go on forever and nobody is ultimately wrong or right (maybe I'm wrong or right) . But @Principium Nexus strikes Dodoster as more evolved than him, so Dodoster assumes that @Principium Nexus knows this and therefore Dodoster is confused as to why he is still writing this.

Edited July 26, 2017 by Dodo

[Shin]

I like to watch something while I eat.

Additionally, all his video adds knowledge that I could remember later if needed, so why not listening ?

Now I understand why you say that, some people really think they NEED Leo's videos, as if watching a video will change anything in your life without actions (or no actions if you want enlightenement ), like, just one more, it's all I need, ONE MORE !

 

[Principium Nexus]

@Dodo I'm not more advanced than you in anyway, maybe i'm more caught up with conceptual theory and therefor walking through my own constructed maze. In the end I think the maze feels rigid, it all seems logical within it's framework, but once you get outside you see that the only thing holding these walls up was the fact you was your own believes. They were all grounded in nothing, a bubble floating on its own. Comfortable, manageable, but far from the truth.

The whole vastness of infinity can never be confined to a finite form.

That's where you @Dodo, transcend the maze and watch other people walk around from the inside.

You know everything is grounded in nothing, so you begin to see theory/philosophy is just another level of the maze. Then the idea of being finally outside of the maze is again another layed. Until @Dodo fades away and he is set 'free'.

I like to refer to the maze as your own house. You can decorate it to your own liking and enjoy how you build/transform it as long as you live.

Sometimes there is a earthquake, psychedelics or some life-changing event that turn it upside down.

All the items have to be placed accordingly again, some are broken and have become obsolete.

What is important is that we understand that we live inside that house, the house is our identity and comfort. Outside there is the unknown, excitement/fear because we are not in control there. The control we have over our house is also eventually an illusion since everything can change any moment.

But for the time being, lets enjoy that house, until we move to the next one somewhere after we die. Lets do it conciously, understand we are our own creator and aim to build to most epic house or the most humble one. Whatever you like, your heart knows the best

[Dodo]

26 minutes ago, Principium Nexus said:

@Dodo I'm not more advanced than you in anyway, maybe i'm more caught up with conceptual theory and therefor walking through my own constructed maze. In the end I think the maze feels rigid, it all seems logical within it's framework, but once you get outside you see that the only thing holding these walls up was the fact you was your own believes. They were all grounded in nothing, a bubble floating on its own. Comfortable, manageable, but far from the truth.

The whole vastness of infinity can never be confined to a finite form.

That's where you @Dodo, transcend the maze and watch other people walk around from the inside.

You know everything is grounded in nothing, so you begin to see theory/philosophy is just another level of the maze. Then the idea of being finally outside of the maze is again another layed. Until @Dodo fades away and he is set 'free'.

I like to refer to the maze as your own house. You can decorate it to your own liking and enjoy how you build/transform it as long as you live.

Sometimes there is a earthquake, psychedelics or some life-changing event that turn it upside down.

All the items have to be placed accordingly again, some are broken and have become obsolete.

What is important is that we understand that we live inside that house, the house is our identity and comfort. Outside there is the unknown, excitement/fear because we are not in control there. The control we have over our house is also eventually an illusion since everything can change any moment.

But for the time being, lets enjoy that house, until we move to the next one somewhere after we die. Lets do it conciously, understand we are our own creator and aim to build to most epic house or the most humble one. Whatever you like, your heart knows the best

Dodo is extinct!

The joke aside, here is an insight I got from this conversation to anyone that is interested. I think it was very constructive and the insight is pretty obvious and easy to follow.

If the truth is relative, that means there are "Who's". So truth is relative only if we are talking Egos.

If the true self is no self, then truth cannot possibly be relative, because there is nothing to relate to, so it becomes ultimate. But then there's no-one who can come on Actualised.org forum and write a forum post about it ? 

This means that no point of view (relative truth) is the ultimate truth. It also means that no "Who" knows or can know the ultimate truth, because then this truth will be relative to them.

Maybe I'm talking crap? To me it sounds true, however it's only relative, so obviously not the ultimate :-D I think it can be a pointer to the ultimate tho :). 

 

Edited July 26, 2017 by Dodo

[Principium Nexus]

@Dodo Yess you did a good job at explainig and it makes sense. All truth here is relative, but talking about that some absolute truth in turn exist is also relative hahaha.

To make it easy, you want truth, then shut up and just be. But wether its true or not, does it matter anyways? As long as we have fun and have a good story to play, nobody cares if the play was real or not. In the end we all enjoyed it ?

Edited July 26, 2017 by Principium Nexus

[Dodo]

9 minutes ago, Principium Nexus said:

@Dodo Yess you did a good job at explainig and it makes sense. All truth here is relative, but talking about that some absolute truth in turn exist is also relative hahaha.

To make it easy, you want truth, then shut up and just be. But wether its true or not, does it matter anyways? As long as we have fun and have a good story to play, nobody cares if the play was real or not. In the end we all enjoyed it ?

I agree. However I want to open at least the possibility of ultimate truth existing.

Perhaps the ultimate trully does not exist for us as humans, but aren't we here on this forum exactly because we want to dive deeper and see who we trully are behind the human facade and see what is true from fully being who we trully are?

My uneducated guess is that this would be what people call Enlightenment.

For some diving deep and bashing their heads at impossible tasks can be considered fun! :-D 

 

Edited July 26, 2017 by Dodo

[Principium Nexus]

@Dodo I enjoy all the traps as much as the epiphany I was completely wrong

I think we can derive some meaning from all this speculation, which is a whole accomplishment on its own. To make something practical from something that does not exist in the first place at all ?

Who said magic does not exist?? We are all magicians but fail to see it!

Edited July 26, 2017 by Principium Nexus

[ajasatya]

10 hours ago, Lord God said:

Time to start a true spirituality forum where the actual truth is spoken

this attitude is nothing new in the history of mankind. if you want to speak the "actual truth", go ahead and play the role of the clown.

Truth cannot be spoken. if you really want to help people to experience Truth, then start a zen center and just teach them how to practice zazen. give them straightforward instructions like how to place the head above the spine and how to return to the present moment as many times as possible. nothing else.

but unfortunately, i sincerely think you're unable to do that for now. you're still drunk in pride, trying to be the enlightened one who has the "actual truth" to be spoken. yes master, please, teach me.

Edited July 26, 2017 by ajasatya

[Principium Nexus]

@ajasatya Eveybody will figure it out when it is their time. In the end we cannot help anybody but ourselves, I hope he doesn't hold to tight onto his believes because thats the largest trap of them all.

Btw do you know any good reads about zen practice? I'm becoming more interested in it and would like to read something about it.

[ajasatya]

1 hour ago, Principium Nexus said:

Btw do you know any good reads about zen practice?

no. i've read A LOT of them and they all suck. they're all useless.

zen is supposed to be lived. just find a zen sangha and go practice with them. apply to as many retreats as you can.

if there's no zen sangha near you, then i recommend reading this book. it contains instructions on how to practice zazen. if you read and don't practice, time wasted. a good balance for solo beginners is reading one chapter after each zen session.

a zen session is composed by a certain amount of zazen (say 30m), followed by a certain amount of kin hin (say 10m) and then a certain amount of zazen (say 30m). that's how it's been practiced for almost 800 years. some retreats implement 40/10/40 sessions. a beginner should start with 20/6/20 imo.

Edited July 26, 2017 by ajasatya

[Principium Nexus]

@ajasatya And main goal is to hold focus for sustained period and learn how to control this?

[ajasatya]

12 minutes ago, Principium Nexus said:

@ajasatya And main goal is to hold focus for sustained period and learn how to control this?

no. the main goal is to learn how to return to focus. that's what we practice. we return to focus a trillion trillion trillion times.

once we're on the present moment, we just relax on it. we don't control focus. we don't control anything. just return to the present moment and relax. appreciate the sound of the breath. have you noticed its natural beauty?

[Dodo]

17 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

no. the main goal is to learn how to return to focus. that's what we practice. we return to focus a trillion trillion trillion times.

once we're on the present moment, we just relax on it. we don't control focus. we don't control anything. just return to the present moment and relax. appreciate the sound of the breath. have you noticed its natural beauty?

I somehow connect the sound of the breath to a frequency that is like the default melody of the human being. Maybe it's something I read or it's just intuitive, I don't know.