Is My Atman The Same As The Atman In Everybody Else?

[Ananta]

33 minutes ago, Spiral said:

Annoying with the wording in regards to this subject

To me it's the most appropriate wordage, to you, it's annoying. I find calling awareness/consciousness "nothing" annoying, as if some-thing can come out of "nothing", but so what? 

[Spiral]

Just now, Anna1 said:

To me it's the most appropriate wordage, to you, it's annoying. I find calling awareness/consciousness "nothing" annoying, as if some-thing can come out of "nothing", but so what? 

I don't mean your wording specifically, I mean in general trying to put my thoughts into words into a way to is easy to interpret for others when it comes to this subject. It seems to be a common problem people with this insight struggle with.

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2 minutes ago, Spiral said:

I don't mean your wording specifically, I mean in general trying to put my thoughts into words into a way to is easy to interpret for others when it comes to this subject. It seems to be a common problem people with this insight struggle with.

Oh, gotcha!... words can only be pointers when discussing spirituality, but I think the more specific one can be in a discussion the better, otherwise misunderstanding happens. 

 

[Deep]

@Joseph Maynor Yes, Atman is always the same. The body, mind, and ego are different. That's why we think and act differently from each other. Somehow Brahman is able to divide itself into infinite parts. The parts are able to act independently. The mind and ego create an illusion of separation. The sages who have experienced it will say Brahman is the only reality. Which is true, but Atman is also a partial reality from the mind's perspective. I think they invented the word Atman because we all become enlightened at different times. Atman doesn't mean soul even though it's translated like that in English. It means you're not what you think you are. 

All of us are the same God, but our minds are different. That's why we are at different levels of consciousness; but that's an illusion. 

[Ramu]

@Joseph Maynor Atman could be described as ego, the little self.  My little self is different from yours.  It must be, because the Atman is individual and perceives the world as me/not me.  Brahman is the True Self.  Not just the wave but the entire ocean.  That's how we're one.  There is only One.  I am that One.  You are that One.  Its in this illusion of Ego that you perceive to be different.  God wants to be Joseph Maynor.  He also wants to be Eric, (me).  It wouldn't be an Infinite Being if there wasn't a Joseph or Eric.  It would be missing something, and therefore wouldn't be infinite.

 

[Joseph Maynor]

@Ramu The tricky thing for me is why does reality need to know itself and trap me thereby, and then I have to claw-back to come home into reality fully again.  This seems to be the meaning of life.  But why does reality impose that self-realization need on itself?  It's like reality unfolded, and then it needed to unfold itself again for each human being on Earth who has self-realized.  

Edited July 27, 2017 by Joseph Maynor

[Ramu]

@Joseph Maynor im not sure why we "forgot" why and how the Divine wanted to manifest as a "me" character.  I've spent my entire life wondering why the heck I'm even here.  I can only suspect its because the Divine wanted form, and wanted to know emotion.  Possibly just to experience and witness itself from this vantage point.  Regardless, I'm still enthralled by being a part of it, and yet be the whole show.  Its mind blowing, isn't it??

[Ananta]

@Joseph Maynor Hi, apparently there is no answer to "why", unfortunately. According to everything I've read that is a question that can't be answered. If you figure it out let me know..haha. Anyways, think of it like we are playing hide and seek with ourself. 

[Joseph Maynor]

@Anna1 Even this is a position though.  You are advocating a view not just remaining on-ice about it.  To say there is no possible answer is an answer.  The true skeptic would laugh at this kind of trap.

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Edited July 27, 2017 by Joseph Maynor

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20 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

To say there is no possible answer is an answer.

When did I say that?

I said, "apparently there is no answer to "why"" and also said, "According to everything I've read that is a question that can't be answered." Then I said, " If you figure it out let me know".

In summary, I have not found an answer in all these years. The gurus/masters (and Vedanta) I've read all say there is no answer to this question. So, I assume there isn't one, but I did say if YOU find one let me know.

 

[Joseph Maynor]

@Anna1 Ok.  Yes.  But You still imply an answer though.  Don't imply an answer.  That would be truly neutral.

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4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

@Anna1 Ok.  Yes.  But You still imply an answer though.  Don't imply an answer.  That would be truly neutral.

With all due respect, you ask tons of questions on this forum. Do you always just want neutral answers? Or are you looking to see if someone may have insights you may not have discovered yet? ..which may mean they have a point of view on the matter?...

 I have points of views on topics from 8 years of reading, self inquiry, meditation, videos, emails to teachers, ect. Why must I have a "neutral" outlook, if I know otherwise? That makes no sense. I'm not referring to this thread or my past post on here, but just in general. What is everyone so damn afraid of? 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

@Anna1 I appreciate your answers and I know language makes it look like our positions are firmer than they really are.  The nature of discourse itself is a give and take, a dualistic act.  Like 2 monkeys sqwaking at each other!

Edited July 27, 2017 by Joseph Maynor

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4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

@Anna1 I appreciate your answers and I know language makes it look like our positions are firmer than they really are.  The nature of discourse itself is a give and take, a dualistic act.

Well, thank you. All teachings (including Leo's) are inherently dualistic, because the nature of language is dualistic. Even when someone says they have no perspective, that IS a perspective.

[AleksM]

@Joseph Maynor

Awarness is awarness. Awarness is the True Self.

Perceptions don't matter here. It doesn't matter what perception you have, the True Self is present everywhere, it's non-local, non-dual.

So to answer you question, yes this awarness is the same for everyone.

Note that awarness can be more aware of itself or less aware of itself. But still awarness is the same for everyone. Not just for humans but also for other beings that are in a different physical form.

How to get a taste of this? Be aware. Be aware of awarness.

Recognize that this awarness is the same awarness that is present in every fractal of existence. Recognize the sameness in everything. To get a taste of this psychadelic are useful but you don't need them, you can use your imagination because your brain doesn't differentiate between what's imagined and what's real. Imagine that your entire perceptional field went away. The easiest way to do this i found to do for me is by imaginining with my eyes open that my entire visual perception went away the next second. Imagine like you would actually disapper the next second. Notice that which doesn't change.   Notice that it actually goes away everytime, you blink with your eyes. (yes black is still a color but it's easier to be aware of only one color than of 1 million colors)

Also recognize the wichcraft of words. Do you really need a certain combination of words to alter the perception so that you can finally be aware of awarness? It doesn't make sense. Awarness is always present no matter what combination of words the perception is made out of.

 

 

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1 hour ago, AleksM said:

Also recognize the wichcraft of words. Do you really need a certain combination of words to alter the perception so that you can finally be aware of awarness?

..and paradoxically your entire post was made out of combinations of words, so you could make your point. 

[Dodo]

On 23/07/2017 at 6:59 AM, Joseph Maynor said:

Just curious.  How is my Atman related to your Atman?

If this is True, is my awareness the same as your awareness?  If not, how do you explain the discrepancy?

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