Elon Musk Life Style

[Edvard]

I guess the root issue here is happiness, and that Leo is saying that if you're not happy, you're unconscious, and automatically a bad effect on the world? 

I'm thinking, can you interpret this to be a little of a Zen Devil mindset, when happiness is what matters, at all cost? I.e.: think about you having lots of children, until you realise that you're just a hamster on a wheel, you regret it, and leave them starving wanting to become enlightened. Is this even comparable?

Edited July 19, 2017 by Edvard

[Leo Gura]

@Edvard No, you're still missing the point here.

[Edvard]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

@Edvard No, you're still missing the point here.

So it must be between the lines somewhere, in other words, it seems. 

So a little success is good, and a «need», you say. Is the point that happiness should be maximized by doing good by your life purpose until you make an income that will support you for your life, and then stop going further, rather pursuing enlightenment in the end? 

Or that you should work less, giving you more time to just be?

Is it even possible for you to explain this so I can understand it? At least you understand that I don't understand, solely by reading my words, so what would a person that understands it say, do you think?

[Extreme Z7]

Why not hold both mindsets?

Know consciously that success will never make you truly happy.

Pursue it consciously anyway.

[Leo Gura]

@Edvard Read The Book Of Not Knowing VERY carefully.

[Mastral]

On 20/07/2017 at 4:42 PM, Outer said:

Homo Sapiens is going to continue as it always have. It will take over all galaxies, inhabit all the stars. Until the end of this Universe, unless we figure out how that works.

Maybe* ... but for what? So many confused beings chasing success and fulfillment that never comes

*i.e. not gonna happen. We are on the course for man-made extinction and if not shit happens (asteroids, climate shifts etc.)

Edited July 22, 2017 by Mastral
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[TJ Reeves]

@Edvard You're not understanding what @Leo Gura is pointing at. 

I'm a Musk fan myself. Hell, I even applied to work at one of his companies. But even I admit there are major structural issues with the issues Musk targets. 

Start at the basics.

So far, Elon's main companies target  5 core issues. In no particular order, here are these issues and their respective companies:

• the increased use of the internet ---> Paypal
• the need for sustainable energy ---> Tesla, SolarCity, HyperLoop
• space exploration as a safety net for issues with sustainability ---> Space X
• artificial intelligence taking over ---> NeuraLink, OpenSource A.I.
• and rewriting human genetics ---> [no company yet, but expect it within 20 years seeing as the first CRISPR baby came out last week]

These are really big issues. But the key is that these are artificially created issues. Not artificial as in "made up" but artificial as in "man-made."

As the last two hundred years have shown, every technology you created just creates another problem. It's like the technological hydra.

Musk's current plan is to fight fire with fire. The problem is that fighting fire with fire only creates more fire.

Musk is indeed a system's thinker or else he would never have gotten this far on his career path. But he's currently focused on the systems revolving around technology not psychology! That is, he's not thinking deeply enough into the system built around the system of technology.

The things on musk's list are generated by one thing: the ego. In particular, our need for more stuff; our need for longevity; our need for ease; our need for immortality

Lets look at Musk's list of 5 problems once again, but look at solutions that target the root cause:

• the increased use of the internet ---- > fucking stop relying on the internet so much 
• the need for sustainable energy  ----- > live more sustainably by accepting that you don't need so much stuff
• space exploration as a safety net for issues with sustainability ---- >  don't make the planet so dirty you have to leave in the first place! 
• artificial intelligence taking over  ----- > why the hell do we need to develop an A.I. so badly? war? health? porn? no one who's enlightened needs this shit to get by. On top of that, even if we inevitably move toward creating such A.I., at least we can become more aware of its affects and how to mitigate those effects by slowing down and thinking.
• and rewriting human genetics ----- > again, we could benefit from slowing down a little bit and being aware of our actions. 

We could knock out basically all of the problems on the list by waking the fuck up. With regard to Musk specifically, Leo's essentially saying that if a guy like Musk publicly went through a process of waking up, he would help target the root cause that has generated the systemic issue of world suffering and unsustainable technologies by providing himself as the ultimate role model.

Imagine if Musk, in targeting his admitted depression, said that perhaps everyone must refocus on what's important in life besides success.

Imagine if in targeting the cause for his depression, he had a deep realization and then, whenever he's asked for the best advice for 20 year olds (as he almost always is), he said that the #1 thing to do was to go get enlightened! 

 Imagine if Musk spent his 11 Billion on researching the efficacy of 5-MEO-DMT for enlightenment? 

Except this all sounds ridiculously wishful thinking by this point. There's no chance he'd ever pull the above moves -- He's too far deep with his incredibly big plans. His lifestyle is the definition of having too much on your plate. 

Yet, he's the inspiration for kids growing up. So, those kids think that the only actions worth taking are big world changing actions -- types of actions that end up creating big world changing problems later down the line. Its self-sustaining unsustainable behavior, see? 

Again, I am a big fan of Musk -- his face hung on a poster that motivated me as I put in 550 hours of study for the MCAT just to get into medschool just to then work at one of his companies. 

But I had to pull back and recognize that there is something that lies underneath suffering: The ego. My ego. Our Egos. 

Until Musk recognizes this, he's only adding more bullshit to the giant pile of bullshit we call 'progress'.

What the world needs is to learn how to not need. Now. 

Edited August 10, 2017 by TJ Reeves

[Guest username]

1 hour ago, TJ Reeves said:

Imagine if Musk, in targeting his admitted depression, said that perhaps everyone must refocus on what's important in life besides success.

Imagine if in targeting the cause for his depression, he had a deep realization and then, whenever he's asked for the best advice for 20 year olds (as he almost always is), he said that the #1 thing to do was to go get enlightened! 

 

Sadly, I see more people using facts like Musk being depressed as a reason for themselves to remain miserable workaholics.

[Edvard]

10 hours ago, TJ Reeves said:

@Edvard You're not understanding what @Leo Gura is pointing at. 

I'm a Musk fan myself. Hell, I even applied to work at one of his companies. But even I admit there are major structural issues with the issues Musk targets. 

Start at the basics.

So far, Elon's main companies target  5 core issues. In no particular order, here are these issues and their respective companies:

• the increased use of the internet ---> Paypal
• the need for sustainable energy ---> Tesla, SolarCity, HyperLoop
• space exploration as a safety net for issues with sustainability ---> Space X
• artificial intelligence taking over ---> NeuraLink, OpenSource A.I.
• and rewriting human genetics ---> [no company yet, but expect it within 20 years seeing as the first CRISPR baby came out last week]

These are really big issues. But the key is that these are artificially created issues. Not artificial as in "made up" but artificial as in "man-made."

As the last two hundred years have shown, every technology you created just creates another problem. It's like the technological hydra.

Musk's current plan is to fight fire with fire. The problem is that fighting fire with fire only creates more fire.

Musk is indeed a system's thinker or else he would never have gotten this far on his career path. But he's currently focused on the systems revolving around technology not psychology! That is, he's not thinking deeply enough into the system built around the system of technology.

The things on musk's list are generated by one thing: the ego. In particular, our need for more stuff; our need for longevity; our need for ease; our need for immortality

Lets look at Musk's list of 5 problems once again, but look at solutions that target the root cause:

• the increased use of the internet ---- > fucking stop relying on the internet so much 
• the need for sustainable energy  ----- > live more sustainably by accepting that you don't need so much stuff
• space exploration as a safety net for issues with sustainability ---- >  don't make the planet so dirty you have to leave in the first place! 
• artificial intelligence taking over  ----- > why the hell do we need to develop an A.I. so badly? war? health? porn? no one who's enlightened needs this shit to get by. On top of that, even if we inevitably move toward creating such A.I., at least we can become more aware of its affects and how to mitigate those effects by slowing down and thinking.
• and rewriting human genetics ----- > again, we could benefit from slowing down a little bit and being aware of our actions. 

We could knock out basically all of the problems on the list by waking the fuck up. With regard to Musk specifically, Leo's essentially saying that if a guy like Musk publicly went through a process of waking up, he would help target the root cause that has generated the systemic issue of world suffering and unsustainable technologies by providing himself as the ultimate role model.

Imagine if Musk, in targeting his admitted depression, said that perhaps everyone must refocus on what's important in life besides success.

Imagine if in targeting the cause for his depression, he had a deep realization and then, whenever he's asked for the best advice for 20 year olds (as he almost always is), he said that the #1 thing to do was to go get enlightened! 

 Imagine if Musk spent his 11 Billion on researching the efficacy of 5-MEO-DMT for enlightenment? 

Except this all sounds ridiculously wishful thinking by this point. There's no chance he'd ever pull the above moves -- He's too far deep with his incredibly big plans. His lifestyle is the definition of having too much on your plate. 

Yet, he's the inspiration for kids growing up. So, those kids think that the only actions worth taking are big world changing actions -- types of actions that end up creating big world changing problems later down the line. Its self-sustaining unsustainable behavior, see? 

Again, I am a big fan of Musk -- his face hung on a poster that motivated me as I put in 550 hours of study for the MCAT just to get into medschool just to then work at one of his companies. 

But I had to pull back and recognize that there is something that lies underneath suffering: The ego. My ego. Our Egos. 

Until Musk recognizes this, he's only adding more bullshit to the giant pile of bullshit we call 'progress'.

What the world needs is to learn how to not need. Now. 

We have been discussing many angles around this, all from the reason to go to Mars and develop technology, to enlightenment, to success, to workaholism. I've adressed several of them spread out on this thread.

Of course the best thing would be if humans were "nicer" or raised their consciousness. But you also gotta realize that the way people are is just reality, so by changing the level of consciousness for the "good" of the world you're also manipulating it. So what are you gonna do? Make the whole world give up technology and energy from fossil fuel without replacement? A systemic thinker that wants to make an impact on the world sees that that won't happen, at least not until the earth is in pretty bad shape, and it's too late. So what should he do - develop a technology that works even better, but that is also sustainable, so that people are gonna buy it not necessarily because it is good for the environment, but because it's better - because at this point, that's the only way. Too many are below stage green. That's for Elon Musk the best way he can make an impact, because he understands that he's not gonna change people's minds over night, or decades, at least not alone. 

So what does Elon see? He sees that the reality of this world as now has a high likelyhood of not making it in 100-200 years. Actually, he has said that he views it as extremely important for consciousness to survive, so that we in the future are able to think and ask questions of our existence. This also make sense when you know every society goes through the different stages of consciousness. The future of humanity will be a better version of us, on other planets or not. That requires, of course, that we are able to keep our species alive so that we are actually able to develop ourselves. 

He could say, of course, like you suggest:

- Hey, world, let's do this instead:

• fucking stop relying on the internet so much 
•  live more sustainably by accepting that you don't need so much stuff
• don't make the planet so dirty you have to leave in the first place! *Which he in fact is saying
• why the hell do we need to develop an A.I. so badly? war? health? porn? no one who's enlightened needs this shit to get by. On top of that, even if we inevitably move toward creating such A.I., at least we can become more aware of its affects and how to mitigate those effects by slowing down and thinking.
• we could benefit from slowing down a little bit and being aware of our actions. He has not desputed this. He is also careful about pointing fingers towards others, as he should, or speak about it quite a bit more diplomatically than in a specific interest group like this. He has BTW said that life should be about more than just solving problems...

The world is a little too complex to say these things and expect to make a big impact. And Musk may not be controversial here, but many places is the big world, he is.

- And let's not develop sustainable technology, let's not go to Mars, let's hope this will all be sorted out. This is not a strategy for saving the world. It's a strategy every individual themselves have to work on, while people like Leo Gura are dealing with these issues. So how many followers does Leo have? Like 630K on YouTube. That are 630K who are ready to hear his message. Elon Musk, as a systemic thinker, the only way he can change the world is to meet the vastly different levels of consciousness on their level, cooperate, integrate it. Seeing that all levels inhabit some parts of the truth. His solution is not to hide in a mountain or away from the rest of the world, or by just talk.

What do you think people are gonna do? Quit oil, quit internet, quit technology? Do you seriously think that will happen at this point in history because a guy like Elon just said that? Do you think fundamentalists, ideologists of the world, etc.. will change their openmindedness so radically in some decades, not to mention centuries? BTW, as I said earlier Elon has said that life's gotta be more than solving problems, and I don't know how aware he is of enlightenment. The point is, he thinks it would be nice if consciousness survives, and he also thinks that the only thing that makes sense is doing good. Anyway this is just reality, I don't know, maybe you guys don't care if consciousness goes extinct, it doesn't ultimately matter - although this is Elon's purpose. I guess you have some too.

Of course, ultimately it doesn't matter, one can say. Well, I think it does matter to be able to stay alive, to have food, to not live on a destructed planet. Now, are you gonna say this is ego? To eat? To stay alive? Well, you're able to write a post, so you're manipulating reality yourselves. You eat - manipulating reality. You do things to stay alive, because your ego doesn't want to die, or does it? I know, it's counterintuitive - you could of course eat without being attached to the thoughts that want to eat. But that doesn't make any sense, because your intire survival is depended on you caring for yourself. That's why consciousness creates the ego. So we do care, IMHO.

 

Edited August 10, 2017 by Edvard

[Guest username]

@Edvard I think that's a very good point in that it's a pragmatic look at some of the realistic constraints of the situation, but I don't think it's really an appropriate response to the point Leo and TJ are trying to make.

This is  personal development forum and an examination of Musk as a lifestyle role model. Could he be doing good things for the world? Sure! Might him leaving his position to go raise his consciousness lead to halted progress in some very useful developments? Maybe.

But they're not really looking at it from that frame-- rather from the context in that, is that a type of person you should personally look up to? Why or why not? We're advocating against that precisely because of things like:

-Unhealthy workaholism

- Lack of consciousness

- Being wrapped up in manipulating the environment instead of realizing the true nature of the self.

- Focusing on how one can manipulate reality to serve an unconscious self-agenda, even if said agenda is well-intentioned and in some ways beneficial to humanity.

[Edvard]

15 minutes ago, username said:

But they're not really looking at it from that frame-- rather from the context in that, is that a type of person you should personally look up to? Why or why not? We're advocating against that precisely because of things like:

I kind of wondered mostly about this originally, but when I try to boil it down to the question of how the value of personal development/enlightenment should be balanced with life purpose, many of the responses I got from like @Leo Gura,@TJ Reeves and several others, are arguments and attacks on the content of Musk's purpose, and that his purpose may have a negative effect, as a part of their argument to why he's not a person to look up to, and to that I am responding.

Edited August 10, 2017 by Edvard

[Guest username]

@Edvard We're presupposing life purpose should be rooted in high consciousness values.

You're looking up to Musk and defending his life purpose while arguing that it may be worthwhile for you to pursue.

We're pointing out the pitfalls of that.

[Edvard]

15 minutes ago, username said:

You're looking up to Musk and defending his life purpose while arguing that it may be worthwhile for you to pursue.

We're pointing out the pitfalls of that.

No, I'm not arguing that it may be worthwile for me to pursue, at least not in terms of happiness. I posted because I wonder about the authenticness and fulfillment in this purpose, as well as the impact (which I view as important), but the impact alone is not why I argue that a Musk lifestyle is "good". But responses here use the impact as part of the argument, as if that means something to why an Elon Musk lifestyle is "worth it". And that's what I'm arguing - that if the impact means something - how much does it mean, and what I argued was only the parts of the arguments that says his impact is negative, which there are quite a few of. So if the argument depends a lot on that, then I think it makes sense to discuss that part of the argument.

Edited August 10, 2017 by Edvard

[Guest username]

@Edvard Sorry for misunderstanding your intent.

However, in this case, I think my first response to you still stands.

 

[Erlend K]

There is often a tradeoff between living a life that would be labeled "happy" (joy, contentment, peace of mind, love, personal growth, presence eudaimonia etc.) and living a deeply meaningful life (using your signature strengths and virtues in the service of something much larger than you are). Completely dedicating yourself to a cause means sacrificing some or a lot of your personal happiness for that cause. I would bet Elon Musk is living a life that is more deeply meaningful than most of us can even imagine. He has simply sacrificed a ton of happiness in exchange for a ton meaning. How much happiness it is worth trading off for meaning is a highly individual question. I have no idea if Elon regrets this tradeoff (or would even if he knew all alternative lives he could have led).

For people like us who are very focused on personal growth and spiritual development it is easy to fall into the trap of believing that these pursuits are somehow objectively better than any alternatives, that anyone with deviating priorities are mistaken/havn't realized was the 'Oh so great ME' have realized, and then use this to smugly feel superior to them.

[art]

 

Elon Musks list of people to admire (even it's a business-related question he sums similar names in other videos) does not include healthy physiological or highly conscious human beings, from what I know about them. Workaholics and great innovators: More is more, success is success, but truth is none of that, and it's still truth.

 

Tai Lopez, mr. "happiness comes from without, more is more, attention-whore, manipulator, get-rich-quick" spending 50 minutes interviewing someone who wrote a book about Musk, says it all.

[BjarkeT]

@TJ Reeves *space exploration as a safety net for issues with sustainability ---- >  don't make the planet so dirty you have to leave in the first place! *

if i remeber right i am pretty sure the reason for space exploration was to increase the chance for humans survival and to avoid what will happen to humans(or just living things) if we stay on earth when the sun dies

 

(quote from a website):

*when the sun expands into a red giant during the throes of death, it will vaporize the Earth* 

and that is a very real problem even if there is a long time until it happens

just thought it was worth to mention 

[Real Eyes]

1 hour ago, see_on_see said:

The dude can't even enjoy breakfast or lunch without rushing through it because he has to optimize every single minute of his daily routine to focus on success stuff. What are we even talking about?

And for what, to go on Mars? So we take our unconsciousness there and destroy Mars too? How about focusing on becoming more conscious on Earth, and not destroying Earth in the first place? And yes, he is obviously a bad influence with his unconsciousness. He influences all the people who take him as a role model thinking that being a successful workaholic is the way to go in life. He even knows that, and says stuff like, "you don't wanna be like me". He's just too deep into it to let go.

You're acting as if Musk himself is the cause of the planet's degradation.  He found himself in this situation and is trying to get us out of it, which is more than 99.999% of humans can say, who are doing literally nothing to solve the worlds problems.  Why are we singling out one of the rare people who is willing to sacrifice his own happiness for a greater cause?  

And actually, we do need more "successful workaholics" that use their wealth for philanthropy, even if there are better philanthropic causes to support than going to Mars.  

Edited August 11, 2017 by Real Eyes

[Erlend K]

Building a colony on Mars asap makes sense. We are at a point in history with a lot of existencial threaths to our specie, including nuclear war, nuclear terrorism, biological warfare, artificial inteligence etc. The main priority for humanity right now is to avoid extinction. The way we can maxemize our odds of achieving that is by becoming a multiplanitery specie. 

If Elon really though there was a way to absolutely avoid this risk by "raising conciousness here on earth" or whatever, I'm sure he would have prefered that. If you want you can make it your goal to "raise the conciousness" (whatever your personal conceptualization of this term is) of Kim Jong-un, the taliban leadership, Salman, Ali Khamenei, Putin etc, and see how far you get. 

[TJ Reeves]

On August 10, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Edvard said:

 so by changing the level of consciousness for the "good" of the world you're also manipulating it

[a bit later]

... Now, are you gonna say this is ego? To eat? To stay alive? Well, you're able to write a post, so you're manipulating reality yourselves. You eat - manipulating reality. You do things to stay alive, because your ego doesn't want to die, or does it? I know, it's counterintuitive - you could of course eat without being attached to the thoughts that want to eat. But that doesn't make any sense, because your intire survival is depended on you caring for yourself. That's why consciousness creates the ego. So we do care, IMHO.

Do you really want to get into a verbal volleyball match about what is and isn't a manipulation? Yes, everything we do is a fucking manipulation. Life itself is a series of manipulations. As long as you stay alive, you manipulate.  When I wipe my ass, I manipulate. 

Now that we have that out of the way we can talk about what we're going to manipulate and whether its worth it to. That is, how conscious are we of our manipulations during the finite run-through of life by an infinite awareness? 

Consciousness is about transcending (read: rise above, go beyond, stop serving, become independent of) the ego, not getting rid of it. You will never get rid of the ego as long as you are alive. Buzz off if you're going to try to create a straw man where it seems like we're saying no one can manipulate anything. 

On August 10, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Edvard said:

But you also gotta realize that the way people are is just reality

Your idea of 'the way people are' is just your limited view of reality. A limited view that seems to not quite understand how to view the benefits and the setbacks from Elon's plan + lifestyle. At several points throughout your response you mention 'how reality is' without acknowledging that this is your limited fucking view. 

To put it plainly, no, it is not how reality is. It is fucking relative. To quote Kanye West, "you don't have the answers, Sway!"

On August 10, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Edvard said:

A systemic thinker that wants to make an impact on the world sees that that won't happen, at least not until the earth is in pretty bad shape, and it's too late.

This is not the description of a systemic thinker. It is the description of a pessimist. 

On August 10, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Edvard said:

He sees that the reality of this world as now has a high likelyhood of not making it in 100-200 years.

He sees the same view that man has held since the dawn of time. 

It's not new. It's not cute. It's not noble. It's just the ego extending itself to a longer view of time. Especially in order to sell more of its own product at its own convenience. 

On August 10, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Edvard said:

let's not develop sustainable technology, let's not go to Mars, let's hope this will all be sorted out. This is not a strategy for saving the world. It's a strategy every individual themselves have to work on, while people like Leo Gura are dealing with these issues.

[later]

What do you think people are gonna do? Quit oil, quit internet, quit technology? Do you seriously think that will happen at this point in history because a guy like Elon just said that? Do you think fundamentalists, ideologists of the world, etc.. will change their openmindedness so radically in some decades, not to mention centuries? 

No one is saying this. Again, don't create a straw man. It's possible to see the good and the bad at the same time. 

I told you from the beginning that not only did I support much of the project, I personally offered my time to it.  For all intents and purposes, I'm probably the person most focused on helping his project considering the literal hundreds of hours I've put into it - but even I can see the pitfalls.  

The world moves forward, not backward. I am not  saying that we go back to ancient times. I am not saying that everyone must live in caves. I am not saying that we must totally give up on all technology.

What I'm saying is that we become more mindful of the root cause of the technological issues: the ego itself. Elon's ego clouds his view of the problem. 

On August 10, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Edvard said:

I kind of wondered mostly about this originally, but when I try to boil it down to the question of how the value of personal development/enlightenment should be balanced with life purpose, many of the responses I got from like @Leo Gura,@TJ Reeves and several others, are arguments and attacks on the content of Musk's purpose, and that his purpose may have a negative effect, as a part of their argument to why he's not a person to look up to, and to that I am responding.

Yes, part of your purpose is thinking about its actual effect. Elon's purpose is effected by his personal happiness. I will address the logic fully in the box below.

On August 10, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Edvard said:

No, I'm not arguing that it may be worthwile for me to pursue, at least not in terms of happiness. I posted because I wonder about the authenticness and fulfillment in this purpose, as well as the impact (which I view as important), but the impact alone is not why I argue that a Musk lifestyle is "good". But responses here use the impact as part of the argument, as if that means something to why an Elon Musk lifestyle is "worth it". And that's what I'm arguing - that if the impact means something - how much does it mean, and what I argued was only the parts of the arguments that says his impact is negative, which there are quite a few of. So if the argument depends a lot on that, then I think it makes sense to discuss that part of the argument.

Here is the logic laid out as a syllogism:

1. All unenlightened, mentally unhealthy, overly success driven humans create technologies that tends to create more problems than they solves, especially as a result of unawareness
2. Elon Musk is an unenlightened, mentally unhealthy, overly success driven human
3. Therefore Elon Musk creates technologies that tends to create more problems than it solves, especially as a result of his unawareness

Whats worse though is the Absurdity of his project considering his mental unhealthiness:

1. Elon specifically aims to mitigate the destructive technologies created by unenlightened, mentally unhealthy, overly success driven humans
2. Yet elon creates destructive technologies by remaining unenlightened, mentally unhealthy, and overly success driven
3. ????????
4. Profit 

He is a fucking microcosm of the problem, see?

1. Elon remains stuck in an unenlightened, techno-focused, success driven, mental unhealthy state
2. the US remains stuck in an unenlightened, techno-focused, success driven, mentally unhealthy state. 

Here's another way to put it:

1. You won't solve problems from the same level of thinking that created them.
2. This is a technological issue
3. Elon thinks about solving the problem from a technological level
4. therefore, Elon won't solve the problem

But not only won't he fail, he will fail after ruining his marriages, his children's lives, his happiness, and influencing others to do the same. Do you see the fucking issue with this?

Yes you want to include the outcome of your life purpose into the overall calculation for your lifestyle. 

On August 10, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Edvard said:

So how many followers does Leo have? Like 630K on YouTube. That are 630K who are ready to hear his message. Elon Musk, as a systemic thinker, the only way he can change the world is to meet the vastly different levels of consciousness on their level, cooperate, integrate it. Seeing that all levels inhabit some parts of the truth. His solution is not to hide in a mountain or away from the rest of the world, or by just talk.

Lets go further, because this is where your delusion becomes hilarious.

Google Neuralink. Read what the companies plans are. Or don't do it because I'll tell you. 

His plan is to develop neural implants that help humans control computers and A.I. after getting a subdural injection. That is, in all seriousness is for people to go get brain surgery just for the chance to not use their mouse while talking to computers. 

Basically, he wants to turn us into cyborgs. He says it is the only chance we have against A.I. developments. 

That's all well and good. In fact, I love the plan. I too want to create cyborgs.

But here's what you're not considering: All of musk's plans revolve around getting people to buy in on paradigm shifting ideas. I mean we're talking about the world's best guy at convincing people to try shit. His cult of personality is unmatched. Marvel's Ironman - the best selling superhero - is literally based off of him.

Do you really think that its "reality" that he cannot whatsoever use some of the same money, expertise, research, design, and systemic thinking that he uses to convince people to become cyborgs  to have them meditate for like an hour or two a day and consider going to a therapist for depression? Really? What a joke!

Let me be very very very clear here:

I am a fan of his projects. I genuinely think they help humanity. If Neuralink called me and hired me, I would probably cry of joy. 

I am not a fan of when his projects get to a point where he works 100 hour weeks, has 3 divorces, and has depression. There comes a point where more is not better. He has reached this point. If he's a good leader, he would set up a system such that the companies don't die if he takes a break to rethink things. He can take a break, rethink things, and hell, even have a personal enlightenment. IF he did and IF he encouraged the public to look deeper within, THEN he would have his cake and eat it too. But as it stands, he is geared to not have his cake, not eat it. 

9 hours ago, BjarkeT said:

if I remember right i am pretty sure the reason for space exploration was to increase the chance for humans survival and to avoid what will happen to humans(or just living things) if we stay on earth when the sun dies...

*when the sun expands into a red giant during the throes of death, it will vaporize the Earth* 

and that is a very real problem even if there is a long time until it happens

just thought it was worth to mention 

I am readily aware of this fact. It will take 7.6 billion years. 

This is only pertinent in the sense that the sun's dying is the source of Isaac Asimov's The last Question , the story that influenced the creation of Space X.

Other than that, no it's not really pertinent because we're discussing the overall theme of Personal Development. 

9 hours ago, Real Eyes said:

You're acting as if Musk himself is the cause of the planet's degradation.  He found himself in this situation and is trying to get us out of it, which is more than 99.999% of humans can say, who are doing literally nothing to solve the worlds problems.  Why are we singling out one of the rare people who is willing to sacrifice his own happiness for a greater cause?  

And actually, we do need more "successful workaholics" that use their wealth for philanthropy, even if there are better philanthropic causes to support than going to Mars.  

No one is blaming Musk. He serves as a microcosm/prototype/example for the larger issue of our society's stuckness in orange level thinking. 

Edited August 11, 2017 by TJ Reeves