Wholeness Understanding Makes You A Pussy ?

[Shan]

Leo speaks about wholeness understanding of people and also about compassion in his anger management, self-actualization, and several other videos. Its also a discussed in the spiral model that if we try to understand others and see their point of view, we become better.

But at work, the guy who shows authority or dominance, who is not hesitant to yell at people or be sociopathic wins both the social and corporate hierarchy.

Are self-actualization and being an alpha-male not compatible qualities with each other? It feels we could be on or the other but not both ?

 

[poimandres]

There needs to be a balance of both. Walking that line and understanding when to apply pressure and when to be empathetic is the trick.

[Natasha]

56 minutes ago, Shan said:

But at work, the guy who shows authority or dominance, who is not hesitant to yell at people or be sociopathic wins both the social and corporate hierarchy.

But is this alpha male happy in his life? Competition, winning, dominance, control is just his ego f-ing itself. Leo's recent vid 'Successful People Are Not Happy' talks about this in detail. 

Edited July 16, 2017 by Natasha
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[ajasatya]

53 minutes ago, Shan said:

But at work, the guy who shows authority or dominance, who is not hesitant to yell at people or be sociopathic wins both the social and corporate hierarchy.

is he happy though? isn't his behavior a symptom of an inner anguish? aren't those signals of an unfulfilled life?

[zazed]

It is also about loving yourself. From a oneness perspective there is no distinction between people, so there is no longer a reason to be a dick and to put yourself ahead of others. On the other hand, there is also no reason to put yourself behind other people.

If you can see objectively in life situations, what has to happen, you can make it happen without swinging to one or the other extreme.
IF something is right, you can fight for it. If it is just a neurotic tendency to always be right, you can let it go.
When you are right about something, or deserve something, you can make people listen to you one way or another.

 

However, you are right in a way. Sociopaths do often have more success. This is because they work to destroy people's reputation, resort to backstabbing, and lie or oversell their own value. They come across very certain, arrogant to us who can see, and can always bullshit their way out of difficult situations. Sadly, many people are blind to this, or misunderstand such sociopaths, and because of this they do climb the corporate ladder faster. They also have zero fear or doubt about their imagined value, and this gives them great confidence in everything they say. Confidence is attractive to people, even if it is not earned. You could say people can not easily sense if confidence is earned, and tend to trust the skills of confident people often. (If he is that sure, he must be good at it)

One thing i noticed, is such people will often get people to follow them even. And because they are so pushy and aggressive, passive people tend to do their best to be on the aggressive people's good side. They do this unconsciously, but looking at it objectively, it does remove you from the persons cross-hairs (less backstabbing is a plus, if it's your back). Perhaps this is the easiest way to deal with it.

In a situation where a lot of passive people are surrounding a sociopath, going against him might even prove to be career-suicide.
Since the only person who will dare to disagree, will be you, and people will side with him, since you cannot give them anything(safety) in return.

 

Reality sometimes sucks, and life is not always fair.
If you have no morals, walk over people, destroy people's sanity even, then yes, you can make more worldly gains in many corporate situations.
This level of sociopath cannot be gotten on will, and i wouldn't even know how to act like this. 
Sociopaths are not really happy, they are not really sad either. It seems to me, they don't really think like this, in a way they are more like machines than man, in that they seem to do no self-reflection on their actions, and have zero guilt.

Once in a while, there will be a leader who notices this in higher positions, and then they are often pushed back. Corporate culture can help with this.
Good leaders in a company is important for this, and they are not always available. When the sociopath is the leader, become his friend, or leave.

[AlwaysBeNice]

Anger can be totally natural, I like to call it passionate righteousness.

 

[Leo Gura]

@Shan Many alpha males are of course very insecure deep down. Which is why they need to act macho, get angered easily, call each other faggots and pussies, take steroids, spend way too much time at the gym, etc.

The entire spiritual journey for a masculine man is about learning how to integrate feminine qualities so as to transcend both.

Use of dominance and authority is anti-spiritual. A conscious person doesn't need or want to manipulate reality in that way.

Jesus' or Gandhi's turn-the-other-cheek attitude shows us the power of love over force.

If you notice, even the most alpha of alpha males eventually gets taken out. You cannot win through force, because there's always a larger force around to kick your ass. So it's not sustainable. It's like an unlubricated engine which must burn itself out through its own inner friction.

Yes, consciousness will make you "a pussy" in the conventional sense. But it will also make you realize how silly that cultural standard is. And that real power has nothing to do with how deep your voice is or how large your biceps are.

[SOUL]

The alpha of an a-type doesn't stand for asshole or angry, in fact it's someone trying to be something they aren't that makes them angry or an asshole when it doesn't work out for them. An alpha is strong and a leader, not a domineering hostile screamer, and a beta doesn't mean someone is a pussy or weak, but they are comfortable being who they are so not have to pretend to be something they aren't.

 

[Zephyr]

Depends on how you define Alpha

Using force as a means of leading others seems pretty Beta to me.

Itsnt an Alpha a leader in social situations. He does not threaten others. He makes others feel safe. He protects everybody in the group.

 

[pluto]

When those Alpha males connect to the Divine Feminine..Oh They're in for a treat

Then they will finally understand what is true power. It will humble even the most resistant.

Edited July 17, 2017 by pluto

[zazed]

 

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you notice, even the most alpha of alpha males eventually gets taken out. You cannot win through force, because there's always a larger force around to kick your ass. So it's not sustainable. I

I wish this was true, but i have to disagree with this feel-good fairy tale  .
Sadly there are many of these in leadership positions that will never be refuted.
Without discussing the pro/con of the recent American president, I hope we can agree, he is an alpha male type. He will be taken out, after 4, or 8 years, depending on the next elections. But let's not go into political discussions, it's just the most well known example i think.

 

 

 

@Shan @unknownworld @Zephyr Some of you have said this indeed, lets not equalize being an alpha male with being a sociopath. I was talking only about sociopaths at work, which is prevalent sadly, but not the same as being an alpha.
Alpha male behavior, just means being a leader and being looked at as a leader by a social circle. This is not inherently wrong, and does not require putting people down either. @Leo Gura himself is the "prime alpha male" on these forums, you see this in the amount of likes even his smallest posts receive, and how he can often steer a conversation in a direction of his desire. People desire his approval here (hence the likes). But he is, we can all agree, not abusing this leadership position for any desired nonspiritual gains. He has it, mainly because he deserved it, because of his confidence, his knowledge and how he carries himself trough life. This is how a real leader acts. 

Like in a pack of wolves, the alpha is not the enemy, he is the leader keeping the pack safe and together. Without him they cannot survive. It is not something to avoid or look down upon, from a spiritual standpoint, if done with respect for the beta's in the pack. One can even say, that without love for the beta, the alpha is not a real alpha at all.

One can be an alpha in many ways. An expert at work will often be an alpha automatically in many meetings, because people respect his expertise. The only thing required for a person at such a point, is to stand up, and do the most natural thing there is. Fill people's expectations of you with confidence. This is just acting according to consciousness, it is being non-striving with what is in life, and following the natural order of being with awareness of it. Again, there is no duality here. This is a part of enlightenment, such as everything in life is.

@Leo Gura Perhaps an idea for a video "how to be a true alpha"?