Can You Become The Truth Fully Without Dropping Conceptualizing Enlightenment?

[Joseph Maynor]

It seems like at some point you just have to be the Truth and not conceptualize Enlightenment, otherwise the ego never fully dies.  How can you be the Truth when you are creating a partition within it by augmenting the Truth with concepts, fantasies, theories?  Reality contains no partitions.  The ego has to drop thinking about Enlightenment to completely die.  So, at some point inquiry has to end to become truly enlightened.  After you cross the river, you can dump the raft.  But the ego wants to cling to this raft because you spent a lot of time making it.  But clinging to the raft after crossing the river only slows you down and prevents you from reaching your desired final destination.  Your thoughts?  

Read this too.  I love this little article.  So informative.

http://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/who_am_I.pdf

Edited July 15, 2017 by Joseph Maynor

[Nahm]

@Joseph Maynor you can't think your way to enlightenment. Do the practices. The ego dies. You experience no thinking. Then you experience nothing. In the sense you are the nothing. 

YOU DON'T NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION TO CONVINCE YOU TO DO THE PRACTICES. YOU NEED TO DO THEM AND ENJOY IT AND BE PATIENT.

[Prabhaker]

@Joseph Maynor

I am reminded of the fateful day of twenty-first March, 1953. For many lives I had been working - working upon myself, struggling, doing whatsoever can be done - and nothing was happening.
Now I understand why nothing was happening. The very effort was the barrier, the very ladder was preventing, the very urge to seek was the obstacle. Not that one can reach without seeking. Seeking is needed, but then comes a point when seeking has to be dropped. The boat is needed to cross the river but then comes a moment when you have to get out of the boat and forget all about it and leave it behind. Effort is needed, without effort nothing is possible. And also only with effort, nothing is possible.
Just before twenty-first March, 1953, seven days before, I stopped working on myself. A moment comes when you see the whole futility of effort. You have done all that you can do and nothing is happening. You have done all that is humanly possible. Then what else can you do? In sheer helplessness one drops all search.
And the day the search stopped, the day I was not seeking for something, the day I was not expecting something to happen, it started happening. A new energy arose - out of nowhere. It was not coming from any source. It was coming from nowhere and everywhere. It was in the trees and in the rocks and the sky and the sun and the air - it was everywhere. And I was seeking so hard, and I was thinking it is very far away. And it was so near and so close.
Just because I was seeking I had become incapable of seeing the near. Seeking is always for the far, seeking is always for the distant - and it was not distant. I had become far-sighted, I had lost the near-sightedness. The eyes had become focussed on the far away, the horizon, and they had lost the quality to see that which is just close, surrounding you.
The day effort ceased, I also ceased. Because you cannot exist without effort, and you cannot exist without desire, and you cannot exist without striving.
The phenomenon of the ego, of the self, is not a thing, it is a process. It is not a substance sitting there inside you; you have to create it each moment. It is like pedalling bicycle. If you pedal it goes on and on, if you don't pedal it stops. It may go a little because of the past momentum, but the moment you stop pedalling, in fact the bicycle starts stopping. It has no more energy, no more power to go anywhere. It is going to fall and collapse.
The ego exists because we go on pedalling desire, because we go on striving to get something, because we go on jumping ahead of ourselves. That is the very phenomenon of the ego - the jump ahead of yourself, the jump in the future, the jump in the tomorrow. The jump in the non-existential creates the ego. Because it comes out of the non-existential it is like a mirage. It consists only of desire and nothing else. It consists only of thirst and nothing else.
The ego is not in the present, it is in the future. If you are in the future, then ego seems to be very substantial. If you are in the present the ego is a mirage, it starts disappearing.
The day I stopped seeking... and it is not right to say that I stopped seeking, better will be to say the day seeking stopped. Let me repeat it: the better way to say it is the day the seeking stopped. Because if I stop it then I am there again. Now stopping becomes my effort, now stopping becomes my desire, and desire goes on existing in a very subtle way.
You cannot stop desire; you can only understand it. In the very understanding is the stopping of it. Remember, nobody can stop desiring, and the reality happens only when desire stops.

(Osho - The Discipline of Transcendence, vol.1 #21)

[Joseph Maynor]

4 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Joseph Maynor you can't think your way to enlightenment. Do the practices. The ego dies. You experience no thinking. Then you experience nothing. In the sense you are the nothing. 

YOU DON'T NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION TO CONVINCE YOU TO DO THE PRACTICES. YOU NEED TO DO THEM AND ENJOY IT AND BE PATIENT.

That's what I'm gonna do now then.  Cool.  Thank you!

[Natasha]

@Joseph Maynor You already are the Truth fully embodied. Conceptualizing keeps you from 'knowing' it. And what Nahm said.

[Joseph Maynor]

6 minutes ago, Natasha said:

@Joseph Maynor You already are the Truth fully embodied. Conceptualizing keeps you from 'knowing' it. And what Nahm said.

I'm ready!  Ready for the voyage!

[cetus]

@Joseph Maynor Imagine trusting everything you don't know.

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, cetus56 said:

@Joseph Maynor Imagine trusting everything you don't know.

That's awesome. It's so anti-egoic.  The ego want to know.  Greed for knowledge is egoic.

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, cetus56 said:

@Joseph Maynor Imagine trusting everything you don't know.

 Love that!

[Ananta]

Apprehending your beingness/Self/awareness is the easy part. You must recognize "this" is YOU, some do and some don't. The hardest part, imo,  is staying there, seeing from this perspective and meeting each apparent phenomenal  moment as your Self (awareness).

Edited July 16, 2017 by Anna1

[Loreena]

I agree with every bit what Nahm says here. When it comes to enlightenment as an eastern philosophy, there's no point in conceptualizing. The point lies in actually getting it done, ego transcendence and giving yourself into the experience of oneness and infinity wholeheartedly without doubt.

[Visitor]

10 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It seems like at some point you just have to be the Truth...

To be the Truth is much more than just being honest or being truthful. It is much more than enlightenment. It is being only the Being, for it is True. Truth is uncreated light, the source of all that is real. It a person became the Truth they would transfigure into uncreated light (not photon based light). A light Being. Some spiritual people have transfigured. It is also the source of halos and such.