I Think I Have Been Enlightened?

[abrakamowse]

There's no words to explain that @WickedIrish  and the logic, reasoning, anything from the "world" is useless. And that's the amazing thing.

[WickedIrish]

we had the same experience then. I need to get back to it, which doesn't make sense. How can we help each other? We both at one point, felt weightless words. We both realized that logic and reasoning was based off words and feeling is all you got. We felt that so why are we now lost?

So fucking lost

why are we trying to be found? Why are we asking? 

[WickedIrish]

I think We want that awareness back

How are awareness and I AM connected

The big part of I AM, was the silliness of everything. I would burst out laughing. We are always aware of our senses, we are not stupid. When are we  aware of the power we give to thoughts. I think its when we realize we give them power, and their stupid and crazy.

[jjer94]

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The big part of I AM, was the silliness of everything. I would burst out laughing.

Yep. When I had my awakening to the I AM, I couldn't stop laughing. I laughed to the point of crying, and then I just flat out cried of joy. It's so silly. There was no 'me' this whole time! What a joke!

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How are awareness and I AM connected

It depends on what you mean by awareness. I'm guessing you're equating awareness with Truth, that which is eternal. The I AM is ephemeral, which you can prove to yourself by simply going to sleep. The Truth of you is always there no matter what. The I AM is a stepping stone, a gateway, to Truth. 

"When the state of [I AM] is totally swallowed, whatever remains is that eternal 'I'." --Nisargadatta Maharaj

[abrakamowse]

@WickedIrish We are asking because we are tired of pleasing the ego. Because when you please the ego, then the ego goes... "bah!... is that it?"

"I want more"... our "fake" self is never pleased. So we know that the search will end when we find our higher self, the "I AM"

Edited February 19, 2016 by abrakamowse

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11 hours ago, jjer94 said:

Yep. When I had my awakening to the I AM, I couldn't stop laughing. I laughed to the point of crying, and then I just flat out cried of joy. It's so silly. There was no 'me' this whole time! What a joke!

It depends on what you mean by awareness. I'm guessing you're equating awareness with Truth, that which is eternal. The I AM is ephemeral, which you can prove to yourself by simply going to sleep. The Truth of you is always there no matter what. The I AM is a stepping stone, a gateway, to Truth. 

"When the state of [I AM] is totally swallowed, whatever remains is that eternal 'I'." --Nisargadatta Maharaj

Do you not find that you are still playing the part of your ego in your dreams? 

[jjer94]

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Do you not find that you are still playing the part of your ego in your dreams? 

Now that I think about it, yes I am. 

[Ramu]

@Pinocchio everywhere

[WickedIrish]

I do play the ego in my dreams. I took lucid dreaming very seriously for 3 months a long time ago. It was maddening, 

     After I found my technique, by stilling my mind and spinning around a object. Any object, the thoughts created a obelisk for me. I spin with my eyes closed around this thing until I am constantly falling ( in a spin?).  Then there is no object, I could explain for quite awhile how I get into this spin but its really all about feel. 

     This was the most effective method to lucid dream for me, I got quite good at it. I could be aware of several dreams a night. I wanted control, the idea of control. It was maddening, how hard it was to materialize things. I wanted my knife at my side, I would try it and will it into existence. Impossible, after attempt after attempt.

I reached out to a community (blog) about lucid dreaming and asked them about control. So many different ideas, they almost never worked.

    One idea was suggested to me, walk into your house or where ever. Find the TV by not looking, just walk into a room it should probably be there. If not turn around. Once you realize its there, change the channel and jump through.

I tried this, I became aware of being outside. So I walked inside into the TV room and a TV was there. Great, I *changed the channel* which really didnt change the screen. I backed up and jumped head first into this TV, cracked my head and woke up. I went back to sleep which makes it easier because its easier to get into a REM cycle if you just left one. This you must experience, its part of the dream jumping I call it. That spin is gold. So I start spinning and dropped back into REM. I walked right into the TV room and this time I gave up. I realized that if I jump through this thing I'll wake up. Just like when I am scared. So I changed the channel not expecting anything, then I was in a field. Like It worked without trying. I finally had control I thought, just dont think about it!

The next dozen dreams were amazing, my knife was there when I needed it. Any abstractions that came at me I charged at, the knife was never there, only when I needed it would it be there. The only problem was I couldnt kill anything trying to screw with me. The whole dream tries to screw with you, If something I stabbed laughed it off I would pull out my knife and kill myself. Utter control I thought, they dont have to wake me through fear. I can just kill myself and try again. This was huge, shoulder to shoulder with a nightmare and it couldnt touch me. Only I could really do that, even if these abstractions introduced pain. Which I could never feel in the morning, it wasn't a bad thing. Only the lack of awareness by waking up, which I blamed entirely on the abstractions and my inability to deal with them with them without killing my self. 

I became really good at being at peace with dreams, they started to be pleasant. No abstractions, if they showed up, i would kill myself, but they stopped showing up. I started to have fun, the experience. Then something happened, I was standing. Ready and alert, at peace with the scenery. Then it came, the ultimate challenge. The Apex predator of my abstractions showed up and it didn't care. I was standing on this bridge, soaking it in. underneath the bridge was nothing, at the end the bridge ( which didnt exist) it didnt go anywhere was a sunset with no sun. Then I became aware of a tall humanoid shape, shiny like metal, like pure black but shiny. It was walking this huge spanse of the bridge, and doing it well. Since the bridge didn't have finite distance, its walk was short but the bridge was so long. When it got close I got tensed, ready and alert. This thing stopped walking, like it knew I was afraid. This thing is a apex predator, trying to make me feel ok with its presence. Defiantly I pulled out my beautiful knife and said You cant touch me. I plunged the knife into my chest but this time I just bled. No pain, then it started walking again. I realized the futility of my knife and dropped it and sat down in my blood. It came very close, wrapped its arm around my shoulder without touching me and whispered, " Do you really think thats going to help you?" 

The truch was scary, nothing could help me. This thing somehow grounded me to this state. No control, I fell backwards and woke up.

That was the most interesting experience I ever had dreaming, the idea of control was this idea and this thing knew it. Used it against me, It knew I knew deep down. Like the ultimate challenge, my own understanding. It used that against my control. This humanoid was the only thing that understood and it somehow made it the most dangerous. Its my dream, that thing has to be me. How? I tried not to think about it. The more I thought about it the less it made sense. How could it be the predator when all it did was whisper something I knew to be true? Why was I the definition of upset with it. 

[werlight]

Everything that IS, is just one immense sea of awareness and light. The great illusion is that we all seem to be separate when in fact we are all connected. If you go deeper you realize that we are not only connected, we are actually just One.

There is a reason for this illusion. It was actually designed this way on purpose.

[abrakamowse]

1 minute ago, werlight said:

There is a reason for this illusion. It was actually designed this way on purpose.

What is that reason? I still have a hard time figuring that out.

[werlight]

4 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

What is that reason? I still have a hard time figuring that out.

Would you believe me if I told you ? You see .. I can tell you. But it wouldnt really help that much because to really know, you have to experience it.. but let me give you a hint. Why would you create an ilusion in the first place ?

[abrakamowse]

Thanks @werlight for the hint, I don't know yet but I think I understand where are you going... very insightful.

Thanks again!

[abrakamowse]

My first thought is that we are here to learn, but then when I think more about it I ask to myself.

Why God will do something like that if he already knows everything?

A bit confusing.

[werlight]

Let me give you another hint.. 

It's like hiding from a child the most delicious candy he can eat only to see how the child cries in joy when he finally finds it.

[abrakamowse]

@werlight  I want that candy! 

[werlight]

14 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

My first thought is that we are here to learn, but then when I think more about it I ask to myself.

Why God will do something like that if he already knows everything?

A bit confusing.

Exactly ! We are not here to learn. We are here to discover or to be more precise remember.

[TruthSeeker]

22 minutes ago, werlight said:

Let me give you another hint.. 

It's like hiding from a child the most delicious candy he can eat only to see how the child cries in joy when he finally finds it.

So this illusion was created for our benefit...so we can experience something good when the illusion goes away?

[werlight]

5 minutes ago, TruthSeeker said:

So this illusion was created for our benefit...so we can experience something good when the illusion goes away?

exactly ! .. can you imagine how beautiful it must be ? 

[WickedIrish]

I feel its important for steps, even though there aren't any. Its the same idea in my dream, the idea of control. I had more fun when I realized controlling the dreams would wake me up. I would kill myself out of fear to wake up, but the last abstractions I tried to run away from wouldnt let me. I stabbed myself and I didn't wake up. Then it told me " Do you really think thats going to help?''.

Its like im trying to get myself to understand that no control is better.

3 minutes ago, TruthSeeker said:

so we can experience something good when the illusion goes away?

Does that make better sense now? You are trying to realize the good in no control. 

If I am even worthy of defining steps for you, which i am not. I would say you need to put a ballcap on. When the ballcap is straight, you can focus. When you think about anything even the focus, that hat gets titled to the right or left. Any thought at all will steal your focus and move the cap. Keep your cap straight by not thinking about anything that steals your focus, which is the act of thinking about it. You are indulging in thoughts, dont do that. thats a tilted ballcap.

When, the cap is straight long enough, no resistence to thoughts ( thoughts turn out to be really bad thieves if you recognize that the only reason they steal anything is that you let them) you became aware of that focus. When you became aware of the focus, you realize that the focus is a blinder.