Couples Staying Together In Hard Times...

[Key Elements]

Couples staying together regardless of adversities...

 

 

Edited June 11, 2017 by Key Elements

[Guest Annetta]

Sad, but beautiful.

[Prabhaker]

1 hour ago, Key Elements said:

What Is Love?

It depends. There are as many loves as there are people. Love is a hierarchy, from the lowest rung to the highest, from sex to super-consciousness. There are many, many layers, many planes of love. It all depends on you. If you are existing on the lowest rung, you will have a totally different idea of love than the person who is existing on the highest rung. Adolf Hitler will have one idea of love, Gautam Buddha another; and they will be diametrically opposite, because they are at two extremes.

At the lowest, love is a kind of politics, power politics. Wherever love is contaminated by the idea of domination, it is politics. Whether you call it politics or not is not the question, it is political. And millions of people never know anything about love except this politics – the politics that exists between husbands and wives, boyfriends and girlfriends. It is politics, the whole thing is political: you want to dominate the other, you enjoy domination.

And love is nothing but politics sugar-coated, a bitter pill sugar-coated. You talk about love but the deep desire is to exploit the other. And I am not saying that you are doing it deliberately or consciously – you are not that conscious yet. You cannot do it deliberately; it is an unconscious mechanism.

Hence so much possessiveness and so much jealousy become a part, an intrinsic part, of your love. That’s why love creates more misery than joy. Ninety-nine percent of it is bitter; there is only that one percent of sugar that you have coated on top of it. And sooner or later that sugar disappears.

When you are in the beginning of a love affair, those honeymoon days, you taste something sweet. Soon that sugar wears off, and the realities start appearing in stark nakedness and the whole thing becomes ugly.

Millions of people have decided not to love human beings any more. It is better to love a dog, a cat, a parrot; it is better to love a car – because you can dominate them well, and the other never tires to dominate you. It is simple; it is not as complex as it is going to be with human beings.

At a cocktail party the hostess couldn’t help overhearing the conversation of a suave gentleman.

“Oh, I adore her. I worship her,” declared the gentleman.

“I would too if she were mine,” agreed his friend.

“The way she walks and swishes. Her beautiful big brown eyes, her head so proud and erect…”

“You’re very fortunate,” commented his friend.

“And do you know what really thrills me? The way she nibbles my ear.”

“Sir,” the hostess interjected. “I couldn’t help listening to those affectionate words. In this day of numerous divorces I admire a man who so passionately loves his wife.”

“My wife?” said the gentleman, surprised. “No – my champion race horse!”

People are falling in love with horses, dogs, animals, machines, things. Why? Because to be in love with human beings has become an utter hell, a continuous conflict – nagging, always at each other’s throats.

This is the lowest form of love. Nothing is wrong with it if you can use it as a stepping-stone, if you can use it as a meditation. If you can watch it, if you try to understand it, in that very understanding you will reach another rung, you will start moving upwards.

Only at the highest peak, when love is not a relationship any more, when love becomes a state of your being, the lotus opens totally and great perfume is released – but only at the highest peak. At the lowest, love is just a political relationship. At the highest, love is a religious state of consciousness.

I love you too. Buddha loves, Jesus loves, but their love demands nothing in return. Their love is given for the sheer joy of giving it; it is not a bargain. Hence the radiant beauty of it, hence the transcendental beauty of it. It surpasses all the joys that you have known.

When I talk about love, I am talking about love as a state. It is unaddressed: you don’t love this person or that person, you simply love. You are love. Rather than saying that you love somebody, it will be better to say you are love. So whosoever is capable of partaking, can partake. For whosoever is capable of drinking out of your infinite sources of being, you are available – you are available unconditionally.

That is possible only if love becomes more and more meditative.

Medicine and meditation come from the same root. Love as you know it is a kind of disease: it needs the medicine of meditation. If it passes through meditation, it is purified. And the more purified it is, the more ecstatic.

Osho, Unio Mystica, Vol. 2, Talk #4 

[Visitor]

@Key Elements What is love?  The expression of truth.

Love creates truth. Truth sets you free to love.

Fear creates deception. Deception enslaves you to fear.

In a relationship where truth is primary, love exists, even in an environment of fear and deception.

Edited June 11, 2017 by Visitor

[Loreena]

@Prabhaker I love u 

 

[Prabhaker]

Just now, Loreena said:

I love u 

I love you too, 

The real thing is not a relationship but a state; one is not in love but one is love. Whenever I talk about love remember this: I am talking about the state of love. Yes, relationship is perfectly good, but the relationship is going to be false if you have not attained to the state of love. Then the relationship is not only a pretension, it is a dangerous pretension, because it can go on befooling you; it can go on giving you the sense that you know what love is, and you don't know. Love basically is a state of being; one is not in love, one is love. 

"And that love arises not by falling in love with somebody. That love arises by going in – not by falling but by rising, soaring upwards, higher than you. It is a kind of surpassing. A man is love when his being is silent; it is the song of silence. A buddha is love, a Jesus is love – not in love with a particular person, but simply love. Their very climate is love. It is not addressed to anybody in particular, it is spreading in all directions. Whosoever comes close to a buddha will feel it, will be showered by it, will be bathed in it. And it is unconditionally so. 

"Love makes no conditions, no ifs, no buts. Love never says, "Fulfill these requirements, then I will love you." Love is like breathing: when it happens you are simply love. It does not matter who comes close to you, the sinner or the saint. Whosoever comes close to you starts feeling the vibe of love, is rejoiced. Love is unconditional giving – but only those are capable of giving who have." 

Osho, The Guest, Talk  #5

[Prabhaker]

@Loreena

[Key Elements]

@Visitor @Prabhaker Yes. I agree with your definitions. However, I wasn't really looking for the definitions. I was only trying to show couples who stay together during the hardest of times. That's why I changed the title of this thread.

Maybe these couples understood the definition of love whether they're aware of it or not.

Edited June 11, 2017 by Key Elements

[Prabhaker]

Just now, Key Elements said:

I wasn't really looking for the definitions. I was only trying to show couples who stay together during the hardest of times.

We should know the mystery , why some couples stay together during the hardest of times, ...because they are capable of loving unconditionally. For vast majority of people, love is nothing but a foreplay to sex. 

[Key Elements]

28 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

We should know the mystery , why some couples stay together during the hardest of times, ...because they are capable of loving unconditionally. For vast majority of people, love is nothing but a foreplay to sex. 

I understand, but I wanted to hear comments and others making their own conclusions. 

Besides, not all couples who stay together like that are fully aware of the definition of love.

Edited June 11, 2017 by Key Elements

[Prabhaker]

2 minutes ago, Key Elements said:

Besides, not all couples who stay together like that are fully aware of the definition of love.

Knowing definitions intellectually , doesn't makes a person, loving. Those who stay together and love even during the hardest of times have higher consciousness , whether they know definition or not.

[Key Elements]

40 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

Knowing definitions intellectually , doesn't makes a person, loving. Those who stay together and love even during the hardest of times have higher consciousness , whether they know definition or not.

Of course, they are higher consciousness. But, not sure if they know and fully understand: "I am the love." And, detachment and all that. Ok. Sometimes, it doesn’t matter. Actions speak louder than words. 

[Loreena]

2 hours ago, Prabhaker said:

@Loreena

.. 

Got a long love letter from Prabby. 

[Loreena]

4 hours ago, Prabhaker said:

We should know the mystery , why some couples stay together during the hardest of times, ...because they are capable of loving unconditionally. For vast majority of people, love is nothing but a foreplay to sex. 

Will you listen to me ?? 

[Prabhaker]

10 minutes ago, Loreena said:

Will you listen to me ??