Is Transhumanism The Next Step Of Personal Development ?

[Kelley White]

On 2/22/2016 at 11:37 AM, abrakamowse said:

I think that it is possible for humans to improve their cognitive capacities artificially, but without the correct spiritual alignment I think that could be more damaging than good. I don't know.

I'm in favor of creating that technology to help people who has disability problems, but I don't see it very well to use it on humans to try to become like artificial "gods". I don't know how to call it, trans-humans? 

@abrakamowse  I agree it is possible for humans to improve cognitive abilities with the use of technology, we are already doing it. 

I would have to inquire what is "correct" spiritual alignment? 

I suspect this is going to be a challenging phrase to define with mutual alignment.   

"I" am not certain the average individual even is aware of the reality of the exponential growth of technology and its impact.

I do agree without some sort of positive alignment (again too vague) there is the potential for great misuse, harm, even potentially self destruction. 

My personal concern and passion?  Numerous "spiritual" models have apocalyptic endings to the world.   Now In a self actualization forum I would hazard a guess that many of us could see that as a self-defeating prophecy which we could fulfill if we believe (focus on) its the only outcome to the story.   Can we individually and thus collectively rewrite the narrative to have a more optimal unfolding path versus a resounding end of evolutionary process?

[Kelley White]

On 2/16/2016 at 7:51 AM, Rito said:

It is very much possible.I don't see why not.I think that will be a defining moment in the history of our species since the invention of the wheel when we first learnt tool use.Now we are using tools to upgrade our very self.And we would reach some form of singularity.

But we as a species need to overcome several big challenges before we come close to that.We need to mature ourselves more and gain some form of collective enlightenment.Also we would still have to tackle problems like scarcity of resources,global climate change and all that lot.Plus we have the insurmountable problem of whatever destructive potential all that Technological actualization could bring.Because bad guys can still get actualized.

I think there is much wisdom and insight here @Rito.  Thank you so much for sharing.   The only thing I do wonder:

Who are "bad" guys?

Can bad guys self actualize or do they feign self actualization?

@Rito , what I like about your observations? You begin to point to the solutions by identifying concrete relevant issues.  Logistics and Distribution.

Technology will not be the messianic cure all, its a tool; it can create good, or cause harm, either by omission or commission.   Great comment.

 

[abrakamowse]

@Philip  It's just my opinion. Maybe I am wrong.

I think technology can help people with disabilities to walk for example, people who has problems with walking, etc. Or people who lost their sight. I think technology is great.

About becoming artificial "gods", really awareness or better said enlightenment is about realizing our nature of God inside us. I am not sure what could happen if you wake up that nature in someone who is really not ready for that. Maybe he goes crazy?

just wishful thinking, I don't know really hehehehe

[Kelley White]

On 2/23/2016 at 0:06 AM, Philip said:

Interesting, can you please explain why you chose the words "emotionally and pragmatically" ?

And just to be clear, I'm not afraid of any god-like AI, as long as I'm invited to the party

@Philip, thank you for asking, I would be very happy too.  Look at the world we live in now.   The internet connected us in real time, world wide. We went from eras where news traveled by person over land and sea and arrived months or years after the fact, to in your face, non stop data.  ( A proliferation of data which is not all truthful. )  Lack of awareness to hyper awareness.

How are humans handling the bombardment of all this information?  What is the emotional impact on the human mind as change becomes the norm and resistance to change, and exponential and then super fluid  change at that?  I wonder if like mice in a maze which gets more crowded and placed under more stress it becomes more aggressive?   I don't know?  We are in the process, so presently I observe it, but I don't know, I just have theories.)

For every simplicity we resolve, we create a newer complexity.  At what point when computing reaches Turing will humans be incapable compared to their AI creations for solving more complex issues which come into our awareness?  How will humans handle this? 

What is this super-fluid future going to look like?  How will we handle it at a core level as reality is refined within our contextual framework of reality in time-space?  How will individuals on a grand scale handle being forced to face a fragmented fractured reality giving way to new understanding within the evolutionary context? 

Pragmatically?  Economic systemic changes.  Distribution and logistics changes.  Political and governance system changes.   How will systems which are even slower to evolve and more resistance to change adapt to this same exponential growth and super-fluidity?  (Particularly in light of they are comprised of the same beings experiencing such a radical evolution themselves.)

The radical paradox, its not real, but it is real.  SO on the reality level within this dimensional context of understanding in the now?  How are we as a species going to adapt and thrive versus other options?  

Thank you for not having fear related to the topic.

 

[abrakamowse]

28 minutes ago, Kelley White said:

 

I would have to inquire what is "correct" spiritual alignment? 

That's the problem, no one knows.

 

29 minutes ago, Kelley White said:

"I" am not certain the average individual even is aware of the reality of the exponential growth of technology and its impact.

I do agree without some sort of positive alignment (again too vague) there is the potential for great misuse, harm, even potentially self destruction. 

My personal concern and passion?  Numerous "spiritual" models have apocalyptic endings to the world.   Now In a self actualization forum I would hazard a guess that many of us could see that as a self-defeating prophecy which we could fulfill if we believe (focus on) its the only outcome to the story.   Can we individually and thus collectively rewrite the narrative to have a more optimal unfolding path versus a resounding end of evolutionary process?

I don't think that prophecies are true, we don't know. And anything we want to do won't change anything. It's all planned by God already. IMO.

[Kelley White]

4 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

I don't think that prophecies are true, we don't know. And anything we want to do won't change anything. It's all planned by God already. IMO.

HAHAHA Who is this God being?  I always wonder if its just kids playing a video game and we are just in some grand version of grand theft auto.    But I'm a wee poet what do I know?  

[Kelley White]

@abrakamowse You and I seem to agree.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[abrakamowse]

17 minutes ago, Kelley White said:

HAHAHA Who is this God being?  I always wonder if its just kids playing a video game and we are just in some grand version of grand theft auto.    But I'm a wee poet what do I know?  

We have to be open to all the possibilities

[Kelley White]

And the improbabilities....

 

[abrakamowse]

 

  

[Kelley White]

HAHAHAHAHAHA