Sleep Consciousness Challenge

[Will]

Is anybody have an tips or tricks or know how on being conscious while assleep??, not astral.. 

Ive been wondering, if I die each time I goto sleep and are born each morning.. as I have not been able to be conscious while im passed out..

Id say lucid astral and all that dont count as you not passed out..

Id be interested if anyone has done anything different to try and explore this state??

[electroBeam]

@Will why don't you meditate while lucid dreaming? Or contemplate while astral projecting? It is a great way of exploring life. When you astral project don't do it for fun, do it for truth.

[Prabhaker]

1 hour ago, Will said:

Is anybody have an tips or tricks or know how on being conscious while assleep??

1. Start with the daytime. With the first ray of consciousness as you wake up in the morning, start the experiment. After a thousand attempts, perhaps one may succeed but even if one attempt is successful you will realize that the thousands of attempts were worthwhile. If even for a moment, you came to experience that he who walks is not you but he who is unmoving is you; he who is full of desires is not you, but that he who is forever desireless is you; that that which is perishable is not you, but the fountain of eternal nectar is you. 

Start with the daytime, and gradually you will succeed in carrying it through into your sleep. Gurdjieff used to teach his disciples to practice awareness during the daytime, and then he would tell them that just before going to bed they must remember: ”This is a dream.” You are still awake. There is no dream yet, but you have to keep repeating to yourself: ”Everything I see is a dream.” Touch the bed and intensify the feeling: ”Whatever I touch is a dream.” Touch one hand with the other, and experience: ”All that I touch is a dream.” You go to sleep sinking deep into this feeling. There will be a constant stream of feeling moving inside.

After a few days you will find that in the middle of a dream you will suddenly become aware that it is a dream. As soon as you remember that it is a dream, the dream breaks, because the dream works only in the absence of consciousness. Then you will be filled with bliss such as you have never known before.

 

2.Shankara’s Vedanta propounds the concept that the universe is an illusion. This philosophy is an experiment of the same kind.

The seeker has to remember constantly that whatever is happening is a dream. While getting up in the morning, walking on the road, in the midst of the marketplace, he has to remember: ”Everything is a dream.” Why? Because this is the method. It is a process. If you experiment constantly for eight hours, this remembrance will penetrate so deeply that you will remember it even in the middle of the dream; you will remember that it is a dream.

At present you are unable to remember. Actually, you are doing it even now – but in the reverse order. All your waking hours you feel and understand that whatever you see is real. And that is why dreams seem real at night, because the feeling is very strong. 

What can be more false than dreams? How many times on waking up have you realized their falsity, their uselessness? Yet every night you make the same mistake. Why? There must be a very deep reason behind this folly. The reason is: in your waking state you take everything to be true. If you take everything you see to be real, then how can the dreams you see at night appear to be illusory? You take them to be real.

The maya experiment is just the opposite. Whatever you see during the day, you remember that this is unreal. You forget again and again, but once again you pull yourself together. You remind yourself that everything you see is nothing but a huge drama in which you are only a spectator. You are not the actor, not the doer, but only a witness.

If you nurture this feeling, it becomes a constant flow within. Finally the dream disappears in the night, and this is a great attainment. If the dream is shattered, you are ready to take the third step. If the dream is shattered, you can take the third step of retaining consciousness in deep sleep. But right now this is difficult for you. It is not possible to do it all at once; you must proceed step by step.

 

3. While walking along the road, stop! Become the observer: realize that it is the body walking and you are merely an observer. While eating, stop! Become the observer. The body eats. You are merely observing. While attending to the customers in your shop, stop! Become the observer. Do not get so engrossed as to forget the observer. Take hold of yourself time and again. It will require a continuous effort. You will find, by and by, that the effort becomes easier day by day; now and again you will get flashes of 'pure consciousness'.

When 'pure consciousness' comes easily in the daytime you can gradually utilize it in your dreams. Then when you are about to fall asleep let the last thought in your mind be: ”I am the observer”. As sleep overcomes you let this thought reverberate in your mind: ”I am the witness, I am the witness...” And thus you fall asleep. You will not be able to catch the moment when sleep comes and the repetition stops. If you cultivate the feeling till you fall asleep the feeling will continue into sleep, for it is only the body that sleeps. As you cultivate this feeling more and more, one night you will suddenly become conscious of the observer in your sleep. And as soon as you become aware of the observer a rare thing happens – dreams vanish. Dreams occur only because of your unconsciousness.

Now nothing and nobody can make you unaware, unconscious. He who awakens even for a moment in his sleep, his unawareness is gone forever.

The day you awaken in your sleep you become a yogi. You cannot become a yogi by performing asanas. These are merely exercises. They are good and useful to keep the body healthy, but if you take them to be the true yoga then you are deluded. Yoga means: the art of awakening in sleep. Thus he who awakens is a yogi.

 Osho ~ The Great Path

[AstralProjection]

Yeah your talking about Yoga Nidra. This is when your body and brain are asleep but your conscious awareness is still awake.

[Will]

@electroBeam @Prabhaker I get the whole astral projection thing but your essentially aware.. I would have thought this is the same as being awake..

Maybe i should put it another way.. you know when your ranting away and your in your ego state and you not in the moment.. Can you be aware that your not aware?? I get that you can become aware that your unaware but can you be aware just before your aware.. Im thinking this is the same as when your asleep??  and when your not aware,, where is your awareness??

It could be that your always aware but your just cant see or here it because your mind and body overpower?? i.e. to loud or distracting??

 

@AstralProjection OK.. I guess maybe im confused now..  

 

sometimes when i sit down in the sun.. I go somewhere. im not aware of anything.. zone out like a zomby.. When i come back And I am present I feel the difference of those two states.. interesting thats all..

 

I guess ill just try to astral project first and then maybe it will be clearer..

 

[Will]

On 2017-6-7 at 8:11 AM, Prabhaker said:

When 'pure consciousness' comes easily in the daytime you can gradually utilize it in your dreams. Then when you are about to fall asleep let the last thought in your mind be: ”I am the observer”. As sleep overcomes you let this thought reverberate in your mind: ”I am the witness, I am the witness...” And thus you fall asleep. You will not be able to catch the moment when sleep comes and the repetition stops. If you cultivate the feeling till you fall asleep the feeling will continue into sleep, for it is only the body that sleeps. As you cultivate this feeling more and more, one night you will suddenly become conscious of the observer in your sleep. And as soon as you become aware of the observer a rare thing happens – dreams vanish. Dreams occur only because of your unconsciousness.

I guess I can try this.. Im not interested in being a yogi or anything but I would like to experiement with this.. not even sure I can as Ive never even astral projected before.. well not that I know..