Mind = Body ?

[Loreena]

Is the mind same as the body. Are they different. How are they different ?

[Loreena]

2 minutes ago, Snick said:

Body-mind is your ego. The mind is your thinking apparatus, and the body is the rest.

But again, it's all an illusion in respect our perspective. Reality is not physical.

How are you so damn sure. What if the mind never existed. What if it were just the body pretending to be the mind(or mind pretending to be the body). Hoooo, Spooky..

                                             

[Prabhaker]

@Loreena

Your body is a psychosomatic phenomenon. Mind is the subtlest part of the body, and body is the grossest part of the mind. If you change one, other will change. Grow into a meditator , your body will become proportionate , beautiful. If you practice yoga to make your body proportionate , your mind will become meditative. It takes time , because the change is very deep.

[Prabhaker]

@Loreena

If you take alcohol, it is consumed  in the body but effects your mind. If you are a loving person , you will become beautiful. Whatever happens in the body is echoed in the mind, and whatever happens in the mind has its effects on the body. If the mind is sick the body will not remain healthy for long, and if the body is sick then the mind will not be healthy for long. The message is passed between the two and has an effect on both. That's why people who learn how to keep the mind healthy automatically understand how to keep the body healthy. They don't have to work on it, they don't have to make any effort.

If the body has had a good rest your behavior will change accordingly. That's why food and rest have always been taken in relation to each other. Your diet should be related to your lifestyle. If there is purity in both, then you can have immense movement in your life, and it will be easier for you to enter the inner world. The same way that you need to understand how to exercise, some understanding is also needed about how to rest. In order to rest you need to know how to relax your body.

In this century there is no place for exercise and rest. We are in a strange situation: we don't exercise and we also don't rest. What you call resting is not resting at all. You are lying down, tossing and turning - this is not rest. Rest is a long, deep sleep in which the whole body is sleeping, all its activities have slowed down and all the stress that it has been under is released. Have you ever considered that when you get up in the morning and you are not feeling refreshed and healthy it affects your behavior?

[Loreena]

1 hour ago, Prabhaker said:

@Loreena

Your body is a psychosomatic phenomenon. Mind is the subtlest part of the body, and body is the grossest part of the mind. If you change one, other will change. Grow into a meditator , your body will become proportionate , beautiful. If you practice yoga to make your body proportionate , your mind will become meditative. It takes time , because the change is very deep.

That comes close.

[Loreena]

44 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

@Loreena

If you take alcohol, it is consumed  in the body but effects your mind. If you are a loving person , you will become beautiful. Whatever happens in the body is echoed in the mind, and whatever happens in the mind has its effects on the body. If the mind is sick the body will not remain healthy for long, and if the body is sick then the mind will not be healthy for long. The message is passed between the two and has an effect on both. That's why people who learn how to keep the mind healthy automatically understand how to keep the body healthy. They don't have to work on it, they don't have to make any effort.

If the body has had a good rest your behavior will change accordingly. That's why food and rest have always been taken in relation to each other. Your diet should be related to your lifestyle. If there is purity in both, then you can have immense movement in your life, and it will be easier for you to enter the inner world. The same way that you need to understand how to exercise, some understanding is also needed about how to rest. In order to rest you need to know how to relax your body.

In this century there is no place for exercise and rest. We are in a strange situation: we don't exercise and we also don't rest. What you call resting is not resting at all. You are lying down, tossing and turning - this is not rest. Rest is a long, deep sleep in which the whole body is sleeping, all its activities have slowed down and all the stress that it has been under is released. Have you ever considered that when you get up in the morning and you are not feeling refreshed and healthy it affects your behavior?

I didn't read through everything but you made some really good points. Will read it again later.

[Loreena]

@Prabhaker Btw, I've started watching a lot of Osho's stuff and I like it. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

[Prabhaker]

24 minutes ago, Loreena said:

I've started watching a lot of Osho's stuff

Learn the Art of Listening

Osho said that

“I don't speak to teach something; I speak to create something. These are not lectures; these are simply a device for you to become silent, because if you are told to become silent without making any effort you will find great difficulty.”

" My words keep you awake, and just between the words I give you gaps. And those are the real, essential things. Waiting for another word, you have to listen to silence.

[Prabhaker]

@Prabhaker

LISTENING,' shravan', is one of the easiest and most spontaneous methods of meditation.

Osho explains this phenomenon: “Shravan means right listening…and this is a rare achievement. Right listening means not just fragmentary listening…I am saying something, you are listening to it…Your ears are being used; but you may not be present there. If you are not present there in your totality, then it cannot be right listening…”

“Right listening means you have become just your ears – your whole being is listening. No thinking inside, no thoughts, no thought process, only listening. Try it sometimes; it is a deep meditation in itself. Some birds are singing. Just become listening, forget everything – just be the ears. The wind is passing through the trees, the leaves are rustling; just become the ears, forget everything – no thought process, just listen. Become the ears. Then it is right listening, then your whole being is absorbed into it, then you are totally present.”

[jse]

2 hours ago, Loreena said:

Is the mind same as the body. Are they different. How are they different ?

Mind, Body.  One of these you can lose.  The other just grows old.

 

[Loreena]

1 minute ago, jse said:

Mind, Body.  One of these you can lose.  The other just grows old.

 

LOL....very basic answer. Expected a little more from an old guy,

[Lai]

2 hours ago, jse said:

Mind, Body.  One of these you can lose.  The other just grows old.

José admit it, you have lost your mind already.

[Deep]

13 hours ago, Loreena said:

Is the mind same as the body. Are they different. How are they different ?

The mind is metaphysical and the body is physical. The mind is a limitation on consciousness. Once the mind is destroyed you realize you were never in the body to begin with. It's a real experience that we can have. Imagine how much freedom you feel when you realize you aren't the body or mind.  

[Natasha]

@Loreena I just watched this and thought of your question:

 

[Loreena]

@Prabhaker What is a subtle  body  ? 

[Prabhaker]

20 minutes ago, Loreena said:

What is a subtle  body  ? 

On 5/29/2017 at 1:57 PM, Prabhaker said:

Mind is the subtlest part of the body

The first layer: the body

There are many possibilities within you, layer upon layer. The first layer is of the body. If you get identified with the body, you are getting identified with the temporal, the momentary. Then there is bound to be fear of death.

The body is a flux, like a river – continuously changing, moving. It has nothing of the eternal in it. Each moment the body is changing. In fact, the body is dying every moment. It is not that after seventy years suddenly one day you die. The body dies every day. Death continues for seventy years; it is a process.

Death is not an event; it is a long process. By and by, by and by, the body comes to a point where it cannot hold itself. It disintegrates. If you are identified with the body, of course the fear will be constantly there that death is approaching. You can live, but you can live only in fear. And what type of life is possible when one’s foundations are constantly shaking and one is sitting on a volcano and death is possible any moment?

The second layer: the mind

Then there is a second layer within you: that of the mind – which is even more temporal and more fleeting than the body. Mind is also continuously disintegrating. Mind is the inner part of the body and the body is the outer part of the mind. These are not two things. Mind and body is not a right expression. The right expression is mind-body. You are psychosomatic. Not that the body exists and the mind exists. The body is the gross mind, and the mind is the subtle body… aspects of the same coin – one outer, the second inner.

…Real life is beyond both body and mind. You are in the body, you are in the mind, but you are neither. The body is your outer shell, the mind is your inner shell, but you are beyond both. This insight is the beginning of real life. How to start this insight? That’s what meditation is all about.  

Moving beyond sickness and health….

Start witnessing. Sometimes the body is healthy; sometimes the body is ill. Watch, just watch, and suddenly you will have a sense of a totally different quality of being. You are not the body. The body is ill, of course, but you are not ill. The body is healthy, but it has nothing to do with you. You are a witness, a watcher on the hills… far beyond. Of course, tethered to the body, but not identified with the body; rooted in the body, but always beyond and transcending.

The first meditation is to separate yourself from the body. And by and by, when you become more acute in your observation of the body, start observing the thoughts that continuously go on within your mind. But first watch the body; because it is gross it can be observed more easily and will not need much awareness. Once you become attuned, then start watching the mind. Whatsoever can be watched becomes separate from you. Whatsoever you can witness, you are not it. You are the witnessing consciousness. The witnessed is the object; you are the subjectivity.

The body, and the mind also, remain far away when you become a witness. Suddenly you are there – with no body and no mind… a pure consciousness, just simple sheer purity, innocence, a mirror. In this innocence, for the first time you know who you are. In this purity, for the first time existence becomes life. For the first time you are. Before it, you were simply asleep, dreaming; now you are. And when you are, then there is no death. Then you know that you will be witnessing your death also.

One who has become capable of witnessing life has become capable of witnessing death…because death is not the end of life; it is the very culmination of it. It is the very pinnacle of it. Life comes to its peak in death.

                                                                (Osho Nirvana: The Last Nightmare)

 

[Visitor]

On 5/29/2017 at 6:00 PM, Loreena said:

Is the mind same as the body. Are they different. How are they different ?

@Loreena Simply, the mind is the byproduct of brain activity.

Nobody can open the human body (brain included) and point at something and say "That there is the mind".