A fun perspective on death

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

That which exists beyond space and time has existed forever and will always exist 🙂

 

Less often currently.

Are you talking about some kind of nothingness or it’s everything ?

What have you done to trigger such states may I ask? Reply if you feel like it

[Sugarcoat]

22 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

The gnostics were a group of early Christians who wrote the gnostic gospels (not included in the Bible) including the gospel of Thomas and the gospel of Mary Magdalene.

They believed the world was created by a false God called the Demiurge. Jesus was sent by the real God to liberate us from the world created by the Demiurge.

The fact that Buddhists and Gnostics came up with essentially the same idea (Samsara / Demiurge reincarnation trap) , to me, gives the idea some credibility,

I think the idea of avoiding the white light is a new age spinoff of Gnosticism . I think it started with Robert Monroe (who coined the term out of body experience). During his astral projection trips he met an entity who told him that Earth is a "Loosh farm" (basically soul energy) created by demonic entities . I think some other people who had NDE's came up with the idea of avoiding the white light, some of them had met entities on the other side who told them that the white light is the entrance to the "soul trap" imprisoning us on Earth.

 

That’s a cool sharing. Yea it’s like there may be bits of truth in all religion 

Ive astral projected and had sleep paralysis and only had one occasion of meeting a presence im sure wasnt a hallucination 

i believe in some kind of soul so that’s cool info 

[Oppositionless]

@Sugarcoat  

Gospel of Thomas is a good read. I believe that if Jesus existed and was really awakened , it's almost certainly his actual words, and basically debunks traditional Christianity (and that's why they had to cut it from the Bible).

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Oppositionless said:

@Sugarcoat  

Gospel of Thomas is a good read. I believe that if Jesus existed and was really awakened , it's almost certainly his actual words, and basically debunks traditional Christianity (and that's why they had to cut it from the Bible).

What’s it about ?*asks you instead of reading it*

Edited 20 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Oppositionless]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

That which exists beyond space and time has existed forever and will always exist 🙂

 

Less often currently.

What exists beyond space and time? Consciousness? Formless emptiness? Is there an identity , memory , form associated with that exists beyond space and time? And if memory is wiped at death how is that functionally different from materialist nonexistence ?

[Oppositionless]

14 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

What’s it about ?*asks you instead of reading it*

Easier to just quote it 

 

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

Easier to just quote it 

 

Thanks

[Someone here]

18 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

1If the memories were snuck in by an invisible ghost

2and the memories are not reflective of reality, 

2 doesn't follow from 1 ..you tricky bitch .

[Carl-Richard]

58 minutes ago, Someone here said:

2 doesn't follow from 1 ..you tricky bitch .

You ok?

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You ok?

What's that ?

"If the memories were snuck in by satan AND ARE NOT REFLECTIVE OF REALITY...."

If they were snuck in by satan then they are reflective of the reality that they were snuck in by Satan. You tricky BITCH made an unjustified jump that your assumption that the only explanation which is reflective of reality is that those memories are an evidence of the boy having lived a past life .

Don't do this again .

[Carl-Richard]

11 minutes ago, Someone here said:

What's that ?

"If the memories were snuck in by satan AND ARE NOT REFLECTIVE OF REALITY...."

If they were snuck in by satan then they are reflective of the reality that they were snuck in by Satan. You tricky BITCH made an unjustified jump that your assumption that the only explanation which is reflective of reality is that those memories are an evidence of the boy having lived a past life .

Don't do this again .

I thought you were done talking about trying to prove things for absolute certainty as if that is the only thing you can do when validating a claim. It's like I ask you how you think your car got stolen, and instead of saying that a thief likely stole it, you're like "but you can't know if a ghost actually zapped a memory into your brain about the car being stolen while actually it was never stolen, it was actually teleported out of existence by a second ghost and put on a different planet with dinosaurs that look like cocks, you never know!" It's really only interesting to think like that the first few times, but then you kinda grow out of it.

[Someone here]

26 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I thought you were done talking about trying to prove things for absolute certainty as if that is the only thing you can do when validating a claim

No I'm not done doing that .how did You get this impression? 

I literally told you flat out to prove your claim "without a shred of a doubt "or it doesn't hold water and you can shuv it down your *** for all i care .

26 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's like I ask you how you think your car got stolen, and instead of saying that a thief likely stole it, you're like "but you can't know if a ghost actually zapped a memory into your brain about the car being stolen while actually it was never stolen, it was actually teleported out of existence by a second ghost and put on a different planet with dinosaurs that look like cocks, you never know!" 

That's LITERALLY true . Imagine you lost your car keys...you might think the most logical action step is to look them up in your pocket or near the equipments store in your house ...then a crazy person tells you " you never know ..maybe you should hire a spaceship and go look them up in the moon ".

Believe it or not but "objectively " speaking ..both possibilities are equally valid .

Why ?

Because you assume reality operates under logical laws .it simply isn't. Go Study something called "Incomplete extrapolation". Simply put : If you fry an egg using corn oil a 10000 times and it works ..that doesn't prove that in the next time you gonna do it it will also  work .

 

 

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[Carl-Richard]

25 minutes ago, Someone here said:

No I'm not done doing that .how did You get this impression? 

I literally told you flat out to prove your claim "without a shred of a doubt "or it doesn't hold water and you can shuv it down your *** for all i care .

You are acting like you don't care about probabilistic epistemology at all. But is this really true? Say if you want to quit smoking, do you need to absolutely prove that the method will absolutely help you quit smoking, or do you simply pick the one you think is most likely going to help? Do you know for an absolute fact that you will quit smoking when trying to quit, or do you simply place your bets? So I think you do care about probabilistic epistemology. So why not engage with me when I ask what you think is the most likely explanation for the boy's claimed memories?

[Someone here]

@Carl-Richard couple of points cuz I'm bored from you already  :

1-pragmatism =/=truth value .

It's practical to assume you gonna wake up in the morning when you go to bed because that will help you drift off..but sorry to give you "sleep-phobia.".that doesn't prove that you actually gonna wake up .

2-answer this :

54 minutes ago, Someone here said:

That's LITERALLY true . Imagine you lost your car keys...you might think the most logical action step is to look them up in your pocket or near the equipments store in your house ...then a crazy person tells you " you never know ..maybe you should hire a spaceship and go look them up in the moon ".

Believe it or not but "objectively " speaking ..both possibilities are equally valid .

Why ?

Because you assume reality operates under logical laws .it simply isn't. Go Study something called "Incomplete extrapolation". Simply put : If you fry an egg using corn oil a 10000 times and it works ..that doesn't prove that in the next time you gonna do it it will also  work .

 

[Someone here]

@Carl-Richard oh and I apologise for excessive profanity.  I will tone it down a bit .

[Carl-Richard]

40 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Carl-Richard couple of points cuz I'm bored from you already  :

1-pragmatism =/=truth value .

It's practical to assume you gonna wake up in the morning when you go to bed because that will help you drift off..but sorry to give you "sleep-phobia.".that doesn't prove that you actually gonna wake up .

Yeah, duh. I want you to step out of your fixation on absolute proof for one moment and engage with relative reality, the vague and messy details of life.

It's like you have invented your own version of the "spiritual" non-dual absolute-relative conflation / incessant tangents. Anytime somebody talks about something relative and messy, somebody always have to respond with "actually, nothing exists, nothing is happening, nobody is doing anything, y'all are engaging in fantasies, only the Absolute exists". You respond with "you can't absolutely prove anything! Descartes' demon, Hume's problem of induction, etc." Meanwhile, I'm like "can't we just talk about the relative for a while and not reflexively revert to the absolute literally all the time?"

Tell me, if you can't absolute prove anything at all, why talk about it all the time? And why bring it up in response to a very particular topic when in fact it can be brought up as a response to any topic? And are you then actually engaging with the topic or are just throwing the discussion on a tangent towards your very specific interests?

Edited 16 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Someone here]

@Carl-Richard  sorry to sound like Leo but its because I've experienced "incredible levels of consciousness " recently and that's why I'm breaking hell gates  loose on everyone on the forum recently. I'm writing as a way of expressing myself. If I don't express this I might kill myself. 

I'm talking about radical levels of liberation. It might sound like nihilism or spiritual bypassing or whatever ..but I'm just spitting raw truth .

 what you are talking about is called pragmatism. This is not interest in truth for truth's sake . 

I see you admit eventually that im right ..which is kinda obvious and it doesn't need that much of intellect to conclude such a thing .

Also  I will keep being pushy and I ask you to answer the second half of my reply which you ignored twice . i concur that you must give me an answer to this paragraph otherwise the conversation will be branched in infinite threads that are unnecessary as far as I'm concerned. 

If I have to answer your post in a detailed way then I must talk about:

1-free will .

2- solipsism.

3-god .

4-truth .

5-relativity

 I must mentally masturbate over these things and cum on their faces  . But I'm not horny rn.

Edited 16 hours ago by Someone here

[Carl-Richard]

25 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Carl-Richard  sorry to sound like Leo but its because I've experienced "incredible levels of consciousness " recently and that's why I'm breaking hell gates  loose on everyone on the forum recently. I'm writing as a way of expressing myself. If I don't express this I might kill myself. 

I'm talking about radical levels of liberation. It might sound like nihilism or spiritual bypassing or whatever ..but I'm just spitting raw truth .

 what you are talking about is called pragmatism. This is not interest in truth for truth's sake . 

I see you admit eventually that im right ..which is kinda obvious and it doesn't need that much of intellect to conclude such a thing .

Also  I will keep being pushy and I ask you to answer the second half of my reply which you ignored twice . i concur that you must give me an answer to this paragraph otherwise the conversation will be branched in infinite threads that are unnecessary as far as I'm concerned. 

If I have to answer your post in a detailed way then I must talk about:

1-free will .

2- solipsism.

3-god .

4-truth .

5-relativity

 I must mentally masturbate over these things and cum on their faces  . But I'm not horny rn.

You are something else.

 

26 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Also  I will keep being pushy and I ask you to answer the second half of my reply which you ignored twice . i concur that you must give me an answer to this paragraph otherwise the conversation will be branched in infinite threads that are unnecessary as far as I'm concerned.

What was there to answer? You just re-worded the example I gave of the car being stolen and cited some weird copy of Hume's problem of induction. It's only more "nothing can be absolute proven" business, which is what I'm trying to get you out of.

[Someone here]

36 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You are something else.

 

[Carl-Richard]

7 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Are you talking about some kind of nothingness or it’s everything ?

Yes. That which existed before you were born and that which will exist after you die. Things may change in reality, but something never changes.

 

7 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

What have you done to trigger such states may I ask? Reply if you feel like it

Be obsessed, unemployed and meditate for 1000 hours.

Edited 14 hours ago by Carl-Richard