Carl-Richard

A fun perspective on death

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40 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

The one thing I have to say about reincanation is that it is not a given that you will come back as a human! Or that you come back to earth! You could reincarnate as a fish on a planet made 100% of water in another galaxy! I'm 100% sure this would be the case if reîncarnation is indeed happening after death, because god doesn't have a favourite species! Also you could reincarnate as a plant! God is too infinite to only reincarnate himself only in one species like humans! God has no human bias or agenda!

Sure. But it would make sense that you would tend to reincarnate as something similar or in a similar place from lifetime to lifetime. Maybe we have all reincarnated as plants at some point, but now we are testing the human experience.

This is especially likely if you consider that there are people who report "choosing" their incarnation because it felt like the right one (and also others being quite deliberate about which womb they wanted to be born in). And their choice would be based on their previous lessons and experiences.

But just purely naturalistically as well, irrespective of individual desires, if reincarnation does follow some pattern and is not purely random (which if you believe randomness is just an epistemic concept like me, nothing is), you could expect a similar trend (nature/reality has a habit of building on existing themes: e.g. phylogenetic evolution, ontogenetic development, fractals).

I'm actually fascinated by the life cycles of leaves on trees. Right now, in the end of April in my country, the leaves on some of the trees make me think of (and bare with me for being creepy) fourteen year olds, i.e. silky smooth skin, like that of a young child, sort of small but definitely growing, and barely showing signs of maturity. I think you could map the life cycles of leaves onto the life cycle of humans and you could find interesting overlaps.

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15 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

He is the most controversial because he can be anything right 😅the most horrible things (me thinking negatively ofc) but to be honest as a child I would fear eternity 

We all fear eternity, we just forget, like our past lives.


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Just now, Carl-Richard said:

We all fear eternity, we just forget, like our past lives.

Fortunately we do 😅

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1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

Fortunately we do 😅

But Eternity is where Enlightenment is 😊


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@Carl-Richard are you done editing?  Can I quote you now and deliver my response lol ?


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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23 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Carl-Richard are you done editing?  Can I quote you now and deliver my response lol ?

Are you shaming my OCD? :ph34r: Yes, you can answer now.


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1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

You didn't answer the question and now you seem to be talking about something else. At no point did I talk about "absolutely proving" anything. I asked you for an alternative explanation for what the boy said.

This is logical fallacy : "since you have no alternative explanation then my explanation is automatically correct " lol.

There could be a " gazillion" other explanations..maybe some of those scientists work in illuminati and have literally " injected " false memories into the boy's brain to prove to the world that eastern religions like Buddism are correct because theyre satan worshipers ..see?

And yes you must prove. unless you "prove "  your explanation to be correct without a shred of a doubt then you Can't claim its true automatically just because I have no alternative explanation. 


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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2 hours ago, Someone here said:

"since you have no alternative explanation then my explanation is automatically correct " lol.

No you absolute donkey xD It's just interesting that you would shrug off something when you have no alternative explanation.

 

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

There could be a " gazillion" other explanations..maybe some of those scientists work in illuminati and have literally " injected " false memories into the boy's brain to prove to the world that eastern religions like Buddism are correct because theyre satan worshipers ..see?

Yeah, and how likely is that? Just give me one explanation that you think is more likely than him having true memories of the events.

 

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

And yes you must prove. unless you "prove "  your explanation to be correct without a shred of a doubt then you Can't claim its true automatically just because I have no alternative explanation. 

This is donkey epistemology, because virtually no claim can be proven. It's not an interesting proposition in virtually all cases. It's about whether something is likely or not. How likely is it that an apparently authentic documentation of a boy who claims to have memories of certain events and that made 50 statements that were verified to be accurate, has actual memories of these events? And how likely are the alternative explanations?

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27 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

No you absolute donkey  It's just interesting that you would shrug off something when you have no alternative explanation.

 

Now come on ..you escape like a bit** now . JUST BECAUSE I HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE =/= YOURS IS CORRECT.  Let this sink in .

29 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Just give me one explanation that you think is more likely than him having true memories of the events.

Aha ..Now we are talking . You see who gets to define what's "more likely "? If the apple falls on the ground because of gravity then why the hell does the moon not fall in the ground ? Especially that the moon is 10000000X heavier than an apple ?

There is an explanation that the boy's memories are genuine. And there is an explanation that those memories were snuck in his brain by some invisible ghost 👻..now pay attention: why is the first explanation more likely to be true? 

33 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

This is donkey epistemology, because virtually no claim can be proven. It's not an interesting proposition in virtually all cases. It's about whether something is likely or not. How likely is it that an apparently authentic documentation of a boy who claims to have memories of certain events and that made 50 statements that were verified to be accurate, has actual memories of these events? And how likely are the alternative explanations

Same point .I answered above .

 


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Now come on ..you escape like a bit** now . JUST BECAUSE I HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE =/= YOURS IS CORRECT.  Let this sink in .

Yes, again, that's true, but then why shrug it off? Is it not the best alternative we have at present, that we know about? And if it's not a good alternative, why? What makes you inclined to doubt it?

 

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Aha ..Now we are talking . You see who gets to define what's "more likely "? If the apple falls on the ground because of gravity then why the hell does the moon not fall in the ground ? Especially that the moon is 10000000X heavier than an apple ?

The moon is falling to the ground, it's just falling in a trajectory which we call "in orbit". But I don't see how this connects to what we're talking about.

 

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

There is an explanation that the boy's memories are genuine. And there is an explanation that those memories were snuck in his brain by some invisible ghost 👻..now pay attention: why is the first explanation more likely to be true?

If the memories were snuck in by an invisible ghost and the memories are not reflective of reality, how did they manage to verify his memories fifty times?

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11 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

But Eternity is where Enlightenment is 😊

What do you mean? 

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3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

What do you mean? 

You identify as that which exists beyond all form, beyond all space and time.


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35 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You identify as that which exists beyond all form, beyond all space and time.

Ok understood, because I thought of eternity as in time so that got me confused

Would you say you’re in that state? Just curious 

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17 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

 I asked you for an alternative explanation for what the boy said.

The idea would be that you can pass down your lived experience and not just your genes and some way its possible to tap into that. This hypothesis can be easily disproved, if its clear that the person in question can't be traced back in the family tree.

I dont know whats the research on this, but I have seen stories when it comes to heart transplant, where some patients claim that they have new memories and feelings about things that don't seem to belong to them.

If its indeed possible to "transfer" memories with an organ transplant, then I wouldn't rule out the possibility that you can do the same with smaller things.

 

In this case the explanation would be that you can tap into the memories of your ancestors not that your soul or mind reincarnated in a new body.

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51 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Ok understood, because I thought of eternity as in time so that got me confused

That which exists beyond space and time has existed forever and will always exist 🙂

 

52 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Would you say you’re in that state? Just curious 

Less often currently.


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This hypothesis can be easily disproved, if its clear that the person in question can't be traced back in the family tree.

I guess its not that easy (but its still relatively easy) if I combine the two claims 1) you can pass down your lived experience 2) you can "transfer" memories with an organ transplant,

 

This hypothesis can be disproved (outside of showing issues about theory of memory and other stuff) showing this: the person in question can't be traced back in the family tree and also had no involvement in any organ transplant in which the recipient was one of the boy's ancestors.

Pretty wild claims, but I wouldn't 100% rule them out.

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50 minutes ago, zurew said:

The idea would be that you can pass down your lived experience and not just your genes and some way its possible to tap into that. This hypothesis can be easily disproved, if its clear that the person in question can't be traced back in the family tree.

In this case, that seems unlikely, because then when verifying the boys claims with the forensic veracity they did, digging back in old library archives to find information about the guy, they would have probably discovered he was in fact his grandfather (unless his grandmother secretely slept with the guy, who most likely lived in a different state, and the official grandfather raised a child that was not his).

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23 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

the same logic applies for death, only a larger cycle

ouroboros-of-science-fixing-the-meme-x-i


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2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

ouroboros-of-science-fixing-the-meme-x-i

Not sure about the "language is just social science applied" one, but I can appreciate the reductionist snake ☺️


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