Update on my spiritual development and progress

[Someone here]

I've been seeing radical shifts in my perspective on life and existence since i started reading Robert Adams.  I know i have bored you guys with this dude. Don't get me wrong ..Leo is still number one no undone..but Leo is an intellectual or a philosopher . So he talks about politics and science and "rat consciousness" which is none of my business lol. Robert on the other side is a truly liberated being . I have no doubt that he was literally insane. Anyways..First i want to say why don't i just drop all of this non duality nonsense.. forget about it all and go live my life to the fullest? This takes me to the free will question which i absolutely fucking love to talk about . See.. I can't.. because free will is just an illusion. This does not mean passivity.. it doesn't lock you into a particular experience where you now have to be a certain way and give everything else up. This is what the non dual bullshitters on here and teachers like Jim Newman are talking about.. but there are absolutely no rules. THIS is not about anything.. it is not about being good. . It is not about being peaceful..it is not about being better than the average Joe that has no idea what the fuck non duality is...it is freeeeedom. It literally doesnt give a fuck .

I feel like the main motivation for many people on this forum is how they will be special and better than those "ignorant normal folks".spirituality is merely about being better for most People here. I'm saying nothing needs to happen In Order for you to be satisfied. Because you will never be satisfied with "things" because they are finite and limited and you go on chasing them forever and you never satisfy your desire. 

You never escape desire while in an embodied form and maybe even never escape it beyond that. You merely change from one desire to another.  (Caveat :My solution to tackling lower desires that might be detrimental to you is to taste the elegance of the highest experience or realization. Then you will naturally focus on that.. and your life will have more net positivity than negativity. Of course the highest experience isn’t some heroin high. It’s liberation. Experience liberation.. and you will want to experience more. This will slowly reduce your desires for everything else. I can’t even give a shit about playing video games or watching porn when I literally used almost every free moment of my teenage years playing games and watching porn. Making money doesn’t interest me nearly as much. The same can be said for sex and everything else. They have all become secondary or even lower on the priority list.)

So anyways I'm not "god realized " nor "awake". But I kid ya not ..I'm fucking liberated as fuck . Which is just truth be told ..not to brag  . So what do I know better than you guys ? Obviously nothing .but the difference is I'm fully conscious of my cluelessness .you guys are drunk on knowledge. 

I have no answers to metaphysical questions. I don't claim to know t.  All I know and I'm aware of is that all there is.. Is the present moment. This experience right now is all of reality. And it has no explanation and no previous causes. It's 100 % mystical. I've contemplated and deeply deconstructed reality to the point where I'm beginning to be on the cusp of loosing control and going insane. So don't bare with me if you like lol .

There ;).

Edited yesterday at 08:25 AM by Someone here

[Someone here]

"Realize that you are greater than you can ever 
imagine. You are God in all its essence. You are not a piece of God or a parcel of God. You 
are the whole. You are absolute oneness, nirvana, emptiness. You are the Self.
Why not accept this?
All you have to do is intellectually accept the truth and the intellect will cause it to 
go into the subconscious, the subconscious will go into the reality, the reality will turn into 
consciousness and consciousness will express itself as bliss. This means that while you 
appear to be wearing a body, it will be a body of bliss. Others will not see it like that. But 
you will not be concerned with others, for you are others. And as you see your body of 
bliss, of course it includes the body of the universe because your body of bliss is omni-
presence. Therefore you see everything as bliss and you have unalloyed happiness, joy 
and peace."

- Robert adams

[Breakingthewall]

38 minutes ago, Someone here said:

the reality will turn into 
consciousness and consciousness will express itself as bliss.

I've read it a bit in Google, and it sounds good, but there are two things it repeats that are confusion: reality is consciousness, and you created reality.

These two statements are a lock. What is consciousness? Is it something? Where does that word point? And you created reality. Who? So, you are not reality; it's a creation of you. Only those 2 statement are a huge hindrance. If you want opening yourself to the real freedom you have to remove all the barriers. Creation and conciousness are mental barriers. The mind has to be absolutely empty. This doesn't mean "silence", as Adams also says. He said many times that what you are is "silence". This is another hindrance. Empty means diaphanous, free of barriers. There can be thought and absolute freedom same time, thought is not so important, what is important are the barriers. The barriers are not created by the thought, is the thought that is created by the barriers. Repress the thoughts is not the point, silence can be full of energetic barriers. 

Anyway, congrats for your progress, sounds genuine. Just realize the traps, there are many. Conciousness and creation are traps, walls in the mind. 

[Davino]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

reality is consciousness, and you created reality.

These two statements are a lock. What is consciousness? Is it something? Where does that word point? And you created reality. Who? So, you are not reality; it's a creation of you

Both are true

Reality is Consciousness. If this is not clear you've never been Awake.

Reality is Self-Created. It does not imply I create other but that I create myself. It's a particular facet of awakening. On the one hand I've always already existed and in the other I birthed myself, quite literally. Reality created itself, that's the strange loop in the temporal dimension.

Edited yesterday at 10:50 AM by Davino

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Davino said:

Reality is Consciousness. If this is not clear you've never been Awake

What is conciousness?

1 minute ago, Davino said:

Reality is Self-Created

Reality arises. Nobody is creating it. If you say: you are creating the reality, it's just a false assessment. 

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Davino said:

this is not clear you've never been Awake.

It's sad to have to read those shit, sorry to say. Try to be mature and talk without your brilliant ego. Can you? The point is talk about the truth, not a competition 

Edited yesterday at 10:42 AM by Breakingthewall

[Davino]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Reality arises. Nobody is creating it. If you say: you are creating the reality, it's just a false assessment. 

Yes, that's the eternal facet, you got that right.

You can awaken to the facet when Reality happens through time and space and so it does in a self-creation strange loop.

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's sad to have to read those shit, sorry to say. Try to be mature and talk without your brilliant ego. Can you?

It's just a fact. If you haven't realized Reality is Consciouness you have never been Awake.

That is pure brilliance and Consciousness, when Reality in all Infinity is absolutely shining in Consciousness; no blindspots, no corners, Consciousness and Reality are identical, reality itself becoming totally conscious of the nature of Reality. 

What is Reality according to you?

Edited yesterday at 10:48 AM by Davino

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Davino said:

What is Reality according to you?

The reality is absence of limits. You can't name the reality with a positive name as conciousness, it's an hindrance, a barrier. You could say maybe that reality is absolute potential or absolute being, but even that contains a small hindrance. 

Btw, what means "conciousness" exactly? 

[Davino]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The reality is absence of limits.

I agree.

Consciousness/Reality is free of limits and becomes all limits via self-limitation.

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You can't name the reality with a positive name as conciousness, it's an hindrance, a barrier. You could say maybe that reality is absolute potential or absolute being, but even that contains a small hindrance. 

I see what you're saying. Yes there's a risk of that happening.

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Btw, what means "conciousness" exactly? 

Only Oneself can answer that question. It's like you ask me who is Breakingthewall? Why do you ask me?

I'd give an introductory rough answer to beginners and intermediates, but you're already advanced. You gotta crack this Consciousness-nut. I can sit in my room and appreciate Consciousness, if you deconstruct it down it's the groundless ground crystalline vacuity, if you construct it up worlds and Infinities spawn, It's the One-Substance, the Godly essence.

Edited yesterday at 11:08 AM by Davino

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Davino said:

10 minutes ago, Davino said:

can sit in my room and appreciate Consciousness, if you deconstruct it down it's the groundless ground crystalline vacuity, if you construct it up worlds and Infinities spawn, It's the One-Substance, the Godly essence

 

For me conciousness is a word that means being concious of anything. For example Leo use to say: increase your level of consciousness. This means be more conciouss, for example, you can't be concious about that harming animals is wrong, then in some point you become concious of that. Conciousness is awareness, it's an attribute that you have. Reality could be unconscious of itself, because reality doesn't need to be concious. Conciousness appears in reality, but as it appears it's an absolute, because reality has the potential of consciousness. But reality Is not conciousness, saying that is a lock, a limit.

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[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall One more step and you will have completed the circle. You're at 99% there... You need that last 1% to see that existence=consciousness and has never been anything else . I'm not sure how you gonna do it but psychedelics can be powerful tool for that ..

You see.. when you realizes that EVERYTHING is consciousness you can apply it to "the problem" of "what is consciousness?"itself. 

but that's not the main message here anyways..I'm pretty much done with all forms of seeking.. I see it clearly as illusion . All seeking and desire is pointless like a hamster in a wheel.

I'm not sure why did @Davino sidetracked the debate into what the fuck is consciousness. 

Im talking about  ABSOLUTE FREEDOM existence is so pointless..Even if you become a billionaire there is really nothing that significant waiting for you

.. If you have enough food to eat.. What is more money going to do anyways??? What is fucking 3 girls at the bar going to do?? Lol

People are busy chasing after things and I'm just more sensitive to realize it's all bullshit. 

Edited yesterday at 11:29 AM by Someone here

[Davino]

@Breakingthewall Now I see where the misunderstanding comes. So consciousness can take the form of any reality but it can also change its properties, it can increase or decrease, it can be in any state whatsoever, as its limitless and it can limit itself in any way.

The key point is that existence is identical to consciousness, this must be realized, it's not an emergent property but it's the essence for anything to exist at all, as everything happens within your consciousness (have you noticed). If you're not conscious of X, then X literally does not exist, then when consciousness takes the form of X, it then exists again; and so it does in an absolutely coherent way, seeming that there was an outside but truly consciousness is so perfect and intelligent that it did not and just keeps the flow of everything. In the same way that when you dream at night the full past is created coherently. 

When I realized this, there was just something that didn't click. What happens when I sleep? I'm unconsciouss. You helped me crack that nut. Beautifully you explained how all that happens is a change in sensations and scenario, like when you go to sleep in a videogame and then it's day time: Consciousness does the same.

At first, it seems so deceiving and illusory, only later to realize this is the utmost efficient, genius and perfect design Reality could ever assume.

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

If you have enough food to eat.. What is more money going to do anyways???

Because you could become a slave. I'd prefer to avoid that

About conciousness. Saying that reality is conciousness is the same that saying that reality is form. Form is that arises due the relative movement, and the relative movement is absolute, because the absolute stillness is not. Then reality is movement or form? No, reality has the potential to movement and form, and as there is the potential, there is form, always. Because no form is never. Same than conciousness. But this doesn't implies that reality is form or conciousness, it's the possibility of form and conciousness. Reality is a step above, it's beyond conciousness and form, even conciousness and form are reality. A manifestation of reality 

[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall you are not listening to what's being said. Fuck consciousness and reality .The point is all understanding is partial.The ultimate understanding is formless.  To become conscious of  ALL AT ONCE is to just be here and now with silent mind.. With no questions.  You are the one who spins the wheel of questions.. If you don't spin it.. It will stop. And you will be left with clarity. Only in silence. 

 it's not much of ending the verbal existence of questions.. But seeing through them such that there is no difference anymore between a question and a fart in the wind .

@Davino stick to the topic ,please. 

[Someone here]

You two are a perfect lubricated example of drunkery on knowledge lol. You actually think you can hang the absolute truth on a nail . An absolute truth in INFINITY?! Do you not see a problem in this line of reasoning? 

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

To become conscious of  ALL AT ONCE is to just be here and now with silent mind.. With no questions.  You are the one who spins the wheel of questions.. If you don't spin it.. It will stop. And you will be left with clarity. Only in silence. 

 it's not much of ending the verbal existence of questions.. But seeing through them such that there is no difference anymore between a question and a fart in the wind .

There is a question, what I am. There is an answer. You could becoming fully concious of what you are (and this doesn't mean that you are consciousness, but that you are now aware of what you are and weren't before, but you were anyway). What you are is the absence of limits, but you can't become aware of that by knowing it; you have to be it, and to be it, you have to break all limits. The absence of limits is total plenitude, and to open yourself to it, you have to take an action: break all your limits. There is no other possibility.

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

There is a question, what I am. There is an answer. You could becoming fully concious of what you are (and this doesn't mean that you are consciousness, but that you are now aware of what you are and weren't before, but you were anyway). What you are is the absence of limits, but you can't become aware of that by knowing it; you have to be it, and to be it, you have to break all limits. The absence of limits is total plenitude, and to open yourself to it, you have to take an action: break all your limits. There is no other possibility.

Absolute nonsense. 

Every question is false.. And That's why there are no answers.. Because there is no question. Every item on every question is an illusion.  A distinction that isn't real. 

 You can grasp this now.. or you can keep spinning the wheels of the mind until your mind collapses and then you will just grasp this.  So why not take the easy route and just grasp it right now?

That's it if you fully grasp this you are enlightened.  You will understand all of reality in one shot.  Not the details ofcourse .... But the details and the you and the understanding will be all happening within this lense.

Much love friend 🙏. 

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Breakingthewall Now I see where the misunderstanding comes. So consciousness can take the form of any reality but it can also change its properties, it can increase or decrease, it can be in any state whatsoever, as its limitless and it can limit itself in any way.

The key point is that existence is identical to consciousness, this must be realized, it's not an emergent property but it's the essence for anything to exist at all, as everything happens within your consciousness (have you noticed). If you're not conscious of X, then X literally does not exist, then when consciousness takes the form of X, it then exists again; and so it does in an absolutely coherent way, seeming that there was an outside but truly consciousness is so perfect and intelligent that it did not and just keeps the flow of everything. In the same way that when you dream at night the full past is created coherently. 

When I realized this, there was just something that didn't click. What happens when I sleep? I'm unconsciouss. You helped me crack that nut. Beautifully you explained how all that happens is a change in sensations and scenario, like when you go to sleep in a videogame and then it's day time: Consciousness does the same.

At first, it seems so deceiving and illusory, only later to realize this is the utmost efficient, genius and perfect design Reality could ever assume.

What you say is true because you are consciousness, but that doesn't mean reality is consciousness. You are consciousness as form, since without form there is no consciousness. Consciousness is form, it is movement. In the absence of movement, for example, deep sleep, as you mentioned, there is no consciousness. Consciousness restarts when movement restarts. So, if there is no consciousness without movement, is consciousness reality?

We mustn't confuse the absolute with reality. There are many absolute things, because they have no opposite. Consciousness, intelligence, movement, love. They are manifestations of reality, not reality. To remain there is to remain within a limit. We must break it. Reality includes the absence, but it's always nullified by the presence, but this doesn't means that the presence is the reality. This is the last mirage. Reality is nothing and being nothing is everything blah blah as you know. Being stuck in any something is that, being stuck. Something or nothing are irrelevant, what you are is beyond them 

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Every question is false.. And That's why there are no answers

I'm telling you that there is an answer. It's not that I'm walking in circles, it's that if you walk straight you will find the answer, but if you get stuck in any trap you will stay there. The answer is out of the mind, you have to break it. 

Edited yesterday at 12:09 PM by Breakingthewall

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'm telling you that there is an answer. It's not that I'm walking in circles, it's that if you walk straight you will find the answer, but if you get stuck in any trap you will stay there. The answer is out of the mind, you have to break it. 

 What I'm saying is you can't figure it all out using the mind.so I agree on the bolded part .

Im also not messing around ..im saying Understand that all questions and all answers are partial and in a sense not even "true".. Notice  you can't formulate one question without making a mistake (creating a false distinction). So if you seek no mistakes the only way is silence in the present moment. The present moment is not a mistake. The mistake is thinking there is a mistake. And then you go on trying to solve the nonexistent mistakes by creating more mistakes ....