The Utter Elusiveness of God - Conquerable?

[Sincerity]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, you already have experience of the up direction. Just do more of that.

Such experiences always arise for me on their own, after very deeply focusing on what I am.

Maybe I'll try to go for them more directly somehow, with asking different questions.

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Sincerity said:

Maybe I'll try to go for them more directly somehow, with asking different questions.

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Understanding is great. Just apply it to the right questions.

You can waste your life trying to know how many ants are crawling around Africa and miss the bigger picture.

 

 

[gengar]

On 4/26/2025 at 4:48 PM, Leo Gura said:

No.

You can grasp God. You can also realize Nothingness in deeper ways.

But even as you grasp it, what's grasped is that it's a Mystery.

Infinity is Undefined. I've spoken about this before on my blog.

Consciousness has this irreducible ineffable quality to it which is the consequence of the finiteness of knowability.

You need to question, What does it really mean to know anything? What are the limits of knowing? But understanding that there exists a deeper level than knowing.

Then why did you claim Omniscience in the past? Omniscience implies that knowing is ultimate.

Now are you saying that there are levels deeper than knowing. How is that possible since knowing and being are one and the same? If God is all all-powerful and all-knowing, he should know everything about himself including his origin.

[Yimpa]

You know that you do not know.

[Leo Gura]

10 hours ago, gengar said:

Then why did you claim Omniscience in the past?

Omniscience is a very advanced thing. It does not comport to human ideas of it. Omniscience occurs at such a radical level that it doesn't mnifest as human knowledge, such as knowing the future or past, because future and past are imaginary.

Edited yesterday at 02:43 PM by Leo Gura

[gengar]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Omniscience is a very advanced thing. It does not comport to human ideas of it. Omniscience occurs at such a radical level that it doesn't mnifest as human knowledge, such as knowing the future or past, because future and past are imaginary.

I feel like you're eluding my point because I didn't mean that I think Omniscience means that you know the dick size of everyone on earth or something.

We were talking about Nothingness, which is the Absolute. You claimed that Nothingness is impossible to grasp which surprised me since you claimed to have had omniscience of the Absolute. I always thought that that meant a 100% absolute understanding/grasping of the Absolute. But now you are saying it can't be grasped, which confuses me.

[Terell Kirby]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Omniscience is a very advanced thing. It does not comport to human ideas of it. Omniscience occurs at such a radical level that it doesn't mnifest as human knowledge, such as knowing the future or past, because future and past are imaginary.

Seems like omniscience is an Absolute, but how do we square this with laws of relativism? I’m sure there are arguments against the existence of Absolute Omniscience.

[samijiben]

@gengar @Terell Kirby

It is no mistake...  If your questions aren't answered in the 1st 12 seconds of this video, then it might be your destiny to remained lost in questioning, wondering why the focus of your attention is whether or not omniscience is absolute instead of brainstorming ways to uplift your fellow humans, invent a wheelchair with an inbuilt taint-tickler, or defy the laws of gravity to reach an unknown planet -- that even scientists haven't discovered -- at a speed faster than that of light.

 

Paradox is, in its essence, a word that most perfectly answers your questions. But it's not the answer you were looking for. LoL