Leo was right about porn

[Peo]

I don't understand all this anti-porn posts here and reddit. Unless you all guys have high sex drive and really addicted to porn. I watch porn, but it has never been an addiction for me or caused any problem for me. In fact porn only makes me inspired to work harder for "The good life".

[The Caretaker]

3 minutes ago, Peo said:

I don't understand all this anti-porn posts here and reddit. Unless you all guys have high sex drive and really addicted to porn. I watch porn, but it has never been an addiction for me or caused any problem for me. In fact porn only makes me inspired to work harder for "The good life".

I think it's more about coping than anything else. I had times in my life when I used to play video games 10 hours+ a day! Today is really hard to force myself to play anything really. I just get bored.

Same for porn. A lot of guys (including me) had a porn addiction at some point. But I agree, when I see beauty in being a sexual creature, it only inspires me to get a better life. But again, depends a lot on the "quality" of porn. Good ol'brazzer still drains me.

[Schizophonia]

16 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t understand

You absolutely want to be stoic/indifferent to cope with real (to disidentify from the lack); And when this is part of the concept of self, in the unconscious, it generates manly sexual fantasies

 

 

 

[Sugarcoat]

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

You absolutely want to be stoic/indifferent to cope with real (to disidentify from the lack); And when this is part of the concept of self, in the unconscious, it generates manly sexual fantasies

 

 

 

To cope with “real” you mean to cope with reality? By lack you mean I have a sense of lack? So the desire to be stoic is part of my self imagine and it generates manly sexual fantasies because it’s manly trait?

 

Im trying to understand you 

[Peo]

@Sugarcoat Did you understand what he was trying to communicate? I did not understand. Maybe you do.

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Peo said:

@Sugarcoat Did you understand what he was trying to communicate? I did not understand. Maybe you do.

Who ? Schizophonia?

[Hojo]

@The Caretaker  You jerk off at the thought of someone then the next time you see them you jerking off about them is in your memory. It has nothing to do with then but you still know and it becomes part of their identity to you.

Edited 15 hours ago by Hojo

[Peo]

25 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Who ? Schizophonia?

yes

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Peo said:

yes

 No that’s why I asked him 

[Schizophonia]

55 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

To cope with “real” you mean to cope with reality?

Yes.

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By lack you mean I have a sense of lack? So the desire to be stoic is part of my self imagine and it generates manly sexual fantasies because it’s manly trait?

Your strategy for managing frustration is to disengage from the imagination that underlies desire (and therefore lack), whereas most women will instead choose to invest themselves in it again and again, desperately hoping to find the phallus (power, satisfaction).

That is to say, whereas most girls will seek to be filled and possibly cry, stamp their feet, or whatever, in the event of dissatisfaction, you prefer (chronically, these are tendencies) to say "nope" and disengage.
As you disidentify from the turmoil of lack, the libidinal game, to achieve intensity, becomes to take someone who identifies with this lack and fill it.
Taking someone in the lack -> excitement (because it's a "threat" to your identity of lack of lack) -> dominating her to "restore order."

 

@Nilsi 

I think Lacan said that masculinity translates into the supremacy of the symbolic order. I may have misunderstood something, but I don't agree at all. For me, it's a bourgeois and patriarchal anomaly (and I'm a conservative, lol).

For me, 1) The symbolic order is always ultimately imaginary. 2) A virile man is, and this seems to be the version most intuitively prevalent in the unconscious of most people, on the contrary, someone perched in the real rather than in the torments of the prison of language.
Typically, a man who is low in stress, bearded, stoic, strong, and generous even naive.

If I believe Lacan and his supremacy of the symbolic order among men, then vegan nazis in Hugo Boss gay leather suits with masochistic fetish would be the summum of virility. 

I mean that even if you position yourself so-called, symbolically, as masculinity, the law of the father, all that, the simple fact of identifying with the image, even with the ego itself one could say, generates feminine affects and libidinal behavior in general; If you see what I mean. 

Again maybe i misenderstood something somewhere, you know better Lacan than me.

Edited 14 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Yes

I am stoic and indifferent towards everything except physical suffering. It’s not something I try or want to be, it’s how I am.

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

 

Your strategy for managing frustration is to disengage from the imagination that underlies desire (and therefore lack), whereas most women will instead choose to invest themselves in it again and again, desperately hoping to find the phallus (power, satisfaction).

@Nilsi

When I used to masturbate and watch porn in the past I would engage a lot in the imagination of sex

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

That is to say, whereas most girls will seek to be filled and possibly cry, stamp their feet, or whatever, in the event of dissatisfaction, you prefer (chronically, these are tendencies) to say "nope" and disengage.
As you disidentify from the turmoil of lack, the libidinal game, to achieve intensity, becomes to take someone who identifies with this lack and fill it.
Taking someone in the lack -> excitement (because it's a "threat" to your identity of lack of lack) -> dominating her to "restore order.

I am naturally disengaged i don’t try. It doesn’t achieve intensity quite the opposite. 
 

I didn’t understand what you said anyways. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

I am stoic and indifferent towards everything except physical suffering. It’s not something I try or want to be, it’s how I am.

It's not true, you say yourself that you have a lot of day dreams.

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

When I used to masturbate and watch porn in the past I would engage a lot in the imagination of sex

Because Valentin wasn't there yet. 😎

Jk

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

I am naturally disengaged i don’t try. It doesn’t achieve intensity quite the opposite. 

Commitment is something that is built.
Personality traits and libidinal behavior are conditioned (without genetics) from the age of 3 to 6, so we often have the impression that an anomaly is "part of us."
It doesn't matter, it's not my problem; I'm not an inquisitor.

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

I didn’t understand what you said anyways. 

Lol.

Not a big deal.

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

It's not true, you say yourself that you have a lot of day dreams.

It was in my past. This last year I have stopped the daydreaming. 
 

 

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

 

Because Valentin wasn't there yet. 😎

Jk

 

 

Ofc

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

 

Commitment is something that is built.
Personality traits and libidinal behavior are conditioned (without genetics) from the age of 3 to 6, so we often have the impression that an anomaly is "part of us."
It doesn't matter, it's not my problem; I'm not an inquisitor.

Lol.

Not a big deal.

I feel the way I am is because of my issues mentally, feeling disconnected. And that didn’t come from outside conditioning 

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

It was in my past. This last year I have stopped the daydreaming. 
 

 

Ofc

I feel the way I am is because of my issues mentally, feeling disconnected. And that didn’t come from outside conditioning 

So it's not in your nature to be "disengaged".

Edited 14 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

So it's not in your nature to be "disengaged".

My issues are in my nature I think

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

My issues are in my nature I think

Na, I think you just got used to hiding your emotions.

Edited 14 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Na, I think you just got used to hiding your emotions.

I see you’re kind and trying to be helpful, but I view it differently 

[Basman]

Imagination is really the king of masturbation. Whatever material you are masturbating to is always overlaid by personal imagination in my experience. Brazzers, erotica or hentai are all to a certain degree equivalent in that regard.

There's also the argument to be made that the things you fantasize the most about are emotional experiences that you crave. Like rape fantasies are about desiring control/feeling desired for example.

Edited 13 hours ago by Basman

[Terell Kirby]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There are many different qualities of porn.

New metric for level of Consciousness & development: quality of porn you watch.

Looks like I got more work to do 

On a serious note-what distinguishes low quality from high quality porn? Not so obvious I feel

[Someone here]

@Schizophonia you're shit out of luck buddy ..she is lesbian. 

Anyways ..anyone who says porn isn't problematic is 🤬.

Porn is cuckoldery.youre literally watching a dude ripping apart a girl that you would like to fuck .imagine doing that in real life .sitting there watching another dude banging your gf while you sit around jerking off .does that "do it " for you ?

OK ok OK.. I understand this is such an outdated argument. All I can say about porn is it reveals the nature of reality more powerfully than psychedelics. Porn is Infinity ♾️. I'm preparing a thread about this topic which will probably get me banned from the Internet lol.