Swedish government suggests banning the buying of online pornography

[Sugarcoat]

I read a post in a Swedish reddit subforum, I thought it could be interesting to share, I’ll translate it here in my best attempt:

” The government has in bill 2024/25:124 - episode 6, pages 28-38 suggested to ban the buying of sexual services online. This would include erotic videos and webcam shows, among other things. They also suggest that all platforms that provide such material should be able to be prosecuted for “online pimp operation “. 
 

The suggestion is supposed to be feministic, combat sexual exploitation online, but several organizations mean that  an implementation of such a law would increase stigmatization and vulnerability 

“

 I personally agree with the illegality of buying real sex (it’s illegal here) because prostitutes tend to be in vulnerable situations, but I think this online thing is a bit over the top because it doesn’t include physical touch to it’s not the same vulnerability. 

[Schizophonia]

I'm for the opposite; banning pornography because it's often obscene and bad for the mental health of young people, but allowing prostitution to prevent prostitutes from being managed by macros. The brothel system seems good to me.

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I'm for the opposite; banning pornography because it's often obscene and bad for the mental health of young people, but allowing prostitution to prevent prostitutes from being managed by macros. The brothel system seems good to me.

I could potentially change my mind about my opinion about the ban against buying real sex. My first priority is for the safety and right for the women in it (and the men in it ofc, but most prostitutes are women). So whatever supports that the most I’m for. 
 

I think banning porn online goes against the freedom of people to consume what they want. But yea it’s unhealthy ..

[Sucuk Ekmek]

Online sexual services are much more desireable from women perspective, it offers the most safety, wide customer base, less mental stress. These type of service providers even refuse to provide real sex despite it's being more profitable, don't ask me how I know it.

I blame men, they shape the market and they are lazy af.

[Leo Gura]

Absurd. You will never ban porn.

They might as well try banning bread.

Edited Thursday at 09:52 PM by Leo Gura

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

But yea it’s unhealthy ..

So is soda, white bleached flour, round-up found in oatmeal, cinnamon with lead, table salt, toxic wild berries found in nature, too much pizza, ice cream, and French fries, lollypops, ice pops, Pringles, bleach, non-cotton underwear.....do you have time. It's just another method of control and mental slavery which can lead to people not capable of making their own decisions and to self-regulate without force which can lead to feelings of oppression which can lead to one acting out.

[Princess Arabia]

36 minutes ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

Online sexual services are much more desireable from women perspective,

Not necessarily and depends on the woman and the service. I have reservations about it because it's way more of an audience and most will be unknown to you. 

 

38 minutes ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

it offers the most safety,

This is true, but not exclusive. There are women online (and not just for adult services), who have been stalked and even murdered by unknown predators, but overall it is indeed safer.

 

40 minutes ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

less mental stress.

Not necessarily the case and depends on what she's doing and if she really enjoys it or not. It can be very mentally demanding dealing with strange horny men who has nothing to lose but a few dollars or who need not show their real identity and personal info. 

 

43 minutes ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

These type of service providers even refuse to provide real sex despite it's being more profitable,

Another assumption. If a woman is offered more $ to meet up for real sex that takes away time and energy that she could use for the same amount of time online without having to do that. Real sex has to be done in person and even if the act is only a half hr, the whole process can take 2hrs with transport and other miscellaneous things involved. Plus it's more tiring and the next day could be a waste because of it so 48hrs lost for half hr worth of work and many men are willing to pay the same amount for online services. Many women understand that the more the man wants from you is the less he's willing to pay so it's not necessarily more profitable overall.

 

50 minutes ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

don't ask me how I know it.

Ask me how I know it.

[Hardkill]

I am surprised that Sweden is seriously considering this. It's a liberal/progressive-leaning country.

If it's not part of some good plan they have for managing sex and porn in their country then I think it could backfire.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

I'm for the opposite; banning pornography because it's often obscene and bad for the mental health of young people, but allowing prostitution to prevent prostitutes from being managed by macros. The brothel system seems good to me.

I share this opinion

[samijiben]

@Schizophonia @Natasha Tori Maru

 

I am curious. Why do you think porn is bad for mental health? Are there any studies or experiences that found this claim?

I am asking as an avid porn conneseiur considering changing my habits — if you tell me why I should

[Schizophonia]

12 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I could potentially change my mind about my opinion about the ban against buying real sex. My first priority is for the safety and right for the women in it (and the men in it ofc, but most prostitutes are women). So whatever supports that the most I’m for. 
 

I think banning porn online goes against the freedom of people to consume what they want. But yea it’s unhealthy ..

It's also about human exploitation; I think it's more "gratifying" to have more or less normal and well-paid sex, protected and secretly in a brothel, than to end up on the internet in facial cumshot compilations, or simply getting fucked in obscene expressions and facial expressions because the director decided that (btw, most porn directors are big mentally ill narcissistic men). Sorry to be bold but it's to illustrate what it really means.

 

Most people are also wallowing in their bullshit and you need to intervene to help them and even save them; As a general rule I don't think humans are made to live in a liberal-libertarian society.

Edited yesterday at 08:32 AM by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

5 hours ago, samijiben said:

@Schizophonia @Natasha Tori Maru

 

I am curious. Why do you think porn is bad for mental health? Are there any studies or experiences that found this claim?

I am asking as an avid porn conneseiur considering changing my habits — if you tell me why I should

1)Because it’s easy pleasure.

2) Because it potentially disrupts your view of sexuality.

 

3)Because depending on what you look at, it enriches your self-concept.

 

[Schizophonia]

7 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I share this opinion

👍

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Absurd. You will never ban porn.

They might as well try banning bread.

It’s the same thing ofc 😂

[Sugarcoat]

11 hours ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

Online sexual services are much more desireable from women perspective, it offers the most safety, wide customer base, less mental stress. These type of service providers even refuse to provide real sex despite it's being more profitable, don't ask me how I know it.

I blame men, they shape the market and they are lazy af.

Online sexual market is a safe way to sell sexual services so I support it when it’s a free choice 

Edited yesterday at 09:05 AM by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

10 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

So is soda, white bleached flour, round-up found in oatmeal, cinnamon with lead, table salt, toxic wild berries found in nature, too much pizza, ice cream, and French fries, lollypops, ice pops, Pringles, bleach, non-cotton underwear.....do you have time. It's just another method of control and mental slavery which can lead to people not capable of making their own decisions and to self-regulate without force which can lead to feelings of oppression which can lead to one acting out.

I don’t understand your latter part but it’s ok

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, Hardkill said:

I am surprised that Sweden is seriously considering this. It's a liberal/progressive-leaning country.

If it's not part of some good plan they have for managing sex and porn in their country then I think it could backfire.

They have “the Nordic model” or whatever it’s called which is when it’s illegal to buy sex but legal to sell, so this view has been for quite some time

[Sugarcoat]

44 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

It's also about human exploitation; I think it's more "gratifying" to have more or less normal and well-paid sex, protected and secretly in a brothel, than to end up on the internet in facial cumshot compilations, or simply getting fucked in obscene expressions and facial expressions because the director decided that (btw, most porn directors are big mentally ill narcissistic men). Sorry to be bold but it's to illustrate what it really means.

 

Most people are also wallowing in their bullshit and you need to intervene to help them and even save them; As a general rule I don't think humans are made to live in a liberal-libertarian society.

Human exploitation, most commonly of women, happens in both porn and prostitution. It’s not always a free choice for the woman as you understand too, she might be in a vulnerable position for example financially. So whatever kind of legislation can help women’s safety in these things is what I support. Porn is a bit of a tricky one, because it’s basically like prostitution but the customer instead being the online audience. I don’t think it should be banned, even if it’s unhealthy in some cases (as princess arabia said, theres many things that are unhealthy). But as I said I want to ensure the safety of the women in it and prevent exploitation. I don’t really know what I think. Society needs a good financial safety net overall to prevent people from falling into vulnerable situations. 
 

It’s an interesting topic. 

Edited yesterday at 09:16 AM by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

@Schizophonia I’m not really against brothels. The only thing would be there has to be a way to ensure that the women are there by free will.

 

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

It’s an interesting topic. 

Yep.

I have a theory that everything that existed before the Neolithic period (coming and going, natural food, sex, sports, etc.) should basically not be controlled, and everything that follows (drugs, the internet, the market, etc.) should be controlled.
Just an idea which bloomed in my mind.
 

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

@Schizophonia I’m not really against brothels. The only thing would be there has to be a way to ensure that the women are there by free will.

 

Understood, as you would say  

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t understand your latter part but it’s ok

When people are told what to do all the time, and not allowed to err on their own to see what they're doing wrong for themselves on their own, how their decisions are ruining their lives, they will lose the ability to decide for themselves what they should give up, things that are bad for them and why. Just telling people to stop eating junk food because it's bad for you isn't enough, it is not until they're seeing the effects of the junk food that they'll really understand what that means and how badly it's affecting their lives. They see first hand what it can do. Keep telling people what to do and not do without letting them have a first hand experience of things doesn't do much good in the sense of understanding why something is bad for them and will only make them more curious about the thing and indulge more. Of course this doesn't go for murder, theft and laws like that that are obviously criminal.