I Hate Women

[Hojo]

@Princess Arabia This to my mind is like saying I can say the woman is just a whore for being date raped. No one is just a date raper. Something is seriously wrong there. There is a very hurt person under there. Nobody is born a date raper. They are deeply disturbed and they dont want to be.

Its disgusting to say.

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[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia This to my mind is like saying I can say the woman is just a whore for being date raped. No one is just a date raper. Something is seriously wrong there. There is a very hurt person under there.

I never said it just spawned out of nowhere but you're implying that it's because women don't give up sex easily and it's not. STOP BLAMING WOMEN FOR MEN'S SEXUAL CRIMES or insinuating such. 

[Hojo]

@Princess Arabia

Please dont gaslight me I am saying your labels on humans are disgusting it shows no understand that everyone is trying to be good. I am showing your bullshit back to you. Im not victim blaming im labelling like you are. According to your logic this is fine cause its how I see it. You just get outraged when you see the same thing fed back to you in a different way.

44 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

A date raper is just a date raper, nothing to do with women not giving it up easy.

Edited 13 hours ago by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia

Yes but I could have went into reasons why he might have been a date raper. Wasn't the focus of the discussion that's why I didn't. I didn't mean it spawned from nowhere, but that it wasn't be cause women didn't give it up easily. Lots of men have hard time with sex from women and they don't become date rapers,

[Hojo]

@Princess ArabiaNo they become incels then kill people in frustration. Or Andrew Tate fans which is the same thing. People who are in pick up are doing the same thing. Billion Dollar industries based around this.

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[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Princess ArabiaNo they become incels then kill people.

Lol. I'm done.

[Hojo]

@Princess Arabia An incel is a failed pick up artist. Its late game desperation.

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[Princess Arabia]

@HojoDon't be fooled. A lot of incels really aren't looking to have sex with women, they're looking not to because they were already angry with women and that's why they're no having it. 

[Hojo]

@Princess Arabia 

incel

/ˈinˌsel/

noun

noun: incel; plural noun: incels

a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile toward women and men who are sexually active.

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia An incel is a failed pick up artist. Its late game desperation.

Not necessarily. It's physiological and subconscious. They don't want to have sex with women and are acting put their anger towards women by making sure they self-sabotage themselves into not getting the sex. They are rebelling.

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[Hojo]

@Princess Arabia Every man who isnt getting sex wants to have sex. Whether they bullshit you or not.

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[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia 

incel

/ˈinˌsel/

noun

noun: incel; plural noun: incels

a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile toward women and men who are sexually active.

Doesn't dispute what I've said. Infact, the phrase CONSIDER THEMSELVES confirms it's a self fulfilling sabotage whatever that is. Nothing is as it seems. One has to look at the underlying factors to really see what's going on. Many incels are handsome and attractive and can attract women, they're just involuntarily repelling them without realizing it and then blame themselves and women for their voluntary sexless nature. If they really wanted to, loved women, liked being around them, they wouldn't find it so hard. The hate and dislike came before the sexless reality. Some guys will not like to hear this, but it's the same reason how they're able to get other things accomplished in their lives - because they wanted it badly enough. 

I can tell you have a problem with women, the way you speak about them and your narrative all the time. You dislike women, I fact, you've said to me before they're only good for one thing. That will repel women and that's probably the same kind of attitude these incels have and that's why they subconsciously don't really want to have sex with women. That's enough from me on the topic. Don't need to awaken any haters.

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia Every man who isnt getting sex wants to have sex. Whether they bullshit you or not.

I said subconsciously. I may want to eat but I can still hate food. People eat and throw up. It's a sickness called bulimia I believe. Just because the body craves sex, doesn't mean the mind loves women.

[Princess Arabia]

37 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia

Please dont gaslight me I am saying your labels on humans are disgusting it shows no understand that everyone is trying to be good. I am showing your bullshit back to you. Im not victim blaming im labelling like you are. According to your logic this is fine cause its how I see it. You just get outraged when you see the same thing fed back to you in a different way.

I just saw this comment. Everytime there's a discussion with you about how I feel about what we're discussing and my pov's every time you use the word gaslight. Also I'm not enraged. I'm sitting on my couch typing with a smile on my face enjoying my evening. It will take a lot and I mean a lot more than a discussion of this nature to outrage me. Your hatred for women shows every time we speak on these issues. It's obvious. I should just stick to spiritual conversations with you or everything else other than relationships and sex. It always ends badly and usually from no animosity on my part towards you. The end.

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[Hojo]

@Princess Arabia I agree everytime we have a conversation on things you feel the need to say one last word and end it sometimes it happens 2 or 3 times in a row. You cant converse you either say I am nothing or ragequit. I will not speak about relationship again to you. It feels like im talking in circles.

We start with one topic and it constantly changes thats why I say backpedal suddenly what was a giant thing men are, is now is now a tiny micro spec of people and those people are me.

This has happened several times.

I dont hate women I just have never enjoyed talking to them. They are uninteresting. I hate the way they talk.

I love women their bodies their beauty their personalities they are very nice, smell, funny, quirky. But alot of the time I clash logically with them. I love a woman that does not stop talking so I dont have to. I would just sit there and zone out analyzing every detail and find contradictions. I dont want to talk to a woman but I enjoy sitting there and picking them apart.

There is a good reason for men to be celibate.

I say you gaslight becuase you said a date rapist is just a date rapist implying thats why he exists and there is not something under there. Then you said I was victim blaming because I compared the same thing in a different way you wouldnt like.

Thats not what my intentions were thats gas lighting.

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[Tenebroso]

I wouldn't say I hate women because hate leads to action and I have no intent to hurt women but I share your frustration. The more I learn about women, the more I consider their views and really listen to them juxtaposed with their actions the more I wonder if they are worth it.

I feel like unless you are the kind of man women actively pursue due to some combination of looks, status, charm, money etc...then it's not worth going out of your way to be involved with them. The irony is guys who naturally get the most women are indifferent to them and don't treat them well. Women themselves seem confused and disappointed by their own choices.

I find collectively women are nowhere as romantic, nurturing, empathetic as is claimed. All of this is not a pass to mistreatment women. I wouldn't turn back the clock on any of their advancements or choose to live in a more traditional time, it's better to see their true nature for what it is unrestricted as it is in the west.

[Hojo]

@Tenebroso There is a life where you live with God and you and a woman is a bonus God gives you and you are content. Society is brain washing men on ultimate level. You dont have to try to hard and be happy. If you give up women, you can be you and a woman will come if you want one. This needs to be done by giving it up tho.

Society teaches us what not to do then expects us to know what to do. The entire thing is rigger throw it away and live life with nothing on your mind just God.

If you do this you will see God made women to chase men.

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[integral]

You can either be Isaac Newton inventing calculus at age 23 or attract women. You can't have both. (joke)

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[Hojo]

@Princess ArabiaI was a handsome incel before God awaken me so I understand what you are saying and you are right with that and can understand why you are seeing that. I am the incel whisperer. I dont hate women I think they are stupid. For all incel pick up artists there is a way to live without this karma of women and its God. DONT LET THEM TRAP YOU INTO PLAYING MIND GAMES FOR THEM! Its just a human being. Dont hate them just stop giving them mental time. If they want your mental time they will come and talk to you.

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[Emerald]

Believe it or not, when I was a teenager and up until my mid-twenties, I used to be very jealous of men having added attraction value for the content of their character and achievements over me just being appreciated for surface level qualities that have nothing to do with the content of my character and achievements.

I really had a romanticized notion of becoming more successful as a man and to have my successes be the measure of my attractiveness... and the idea of having all of this room to grow and develop my attractiveness. And that my efforts and goals would make me more attractive generally toward the opposite sex.

Like I was so jealous of guys for having such a range of attractiveness that can either grow or shrink based not the content of their character and his personality qualities.

And I thought about how cool it would be to be a man and to engage in personal development and learn to attract women and to be valued in the personality-centric way that I have valued the men I've been interested in.

And I felt doomed to only be appreciated for shallow appearance-based qualities that would lose sexual marketplace value and general societal value (plus I feared existential value) with age with nothing that I could do about it... and I would never be loved or valued as a personality.

So, men actually have a lot of leverage points for developing attractiveness that women don't have... and are less prone to being objectified. And there's just more power in their own hands to increase their levels of attraction. 

And I felt like, "Why do men get to be valued for their personality, while women don't?"... when the reality is that men and women get to be valued for their personality. And the personality can be useful in attracting the very niche audience of right people.

It's just that personality development will make a man have mass appeal attraction-wise where lots of women will flock to a well-developed man... And personality development will enrich the woman's life and will be appreciated by the right people but will not lead through to her having mass sexual appeal as she cannot truly change her level of mass sexual appeal because it's all physical and set in stone.

In fact, having a more well-defined personality will decrease a woman's mass appeal.

And you'll see this blankness of personality in the pop culture images of women with the most mass sexual appeal, as they are intentionally left fairly blank personality-wise because it gives men someone blank to serve as their Galatea and project their Feminine side onto... which creates an even stronger level of sexual appeal that's otherwise empty of love and pathos.

Luckily a woman doesn't really need mass appeal to attract the right person for her. And having a really well-developed personality, will help her attract fewer people so as to sort who doesn't fit or who just wants to objectify... as a woman doesn't need mass appeal to attract the right friends or lovers.

She just needs to love herself and sort accordingly... which is a difficult lesson to learn if you're a woman with shame and insecurities. 

Now, I'm not jealous anymore because I've interacted with lots of guys and I see that there's also a lot of insecurity to break through and more of difficulty having social acuity.

So, I was imagining being a man and growing my level of charisma when I'm already working with a more sensitive and socially attuned palate... where I already have an interest in people (as women generally tend to).

And beyond that, I recognize that I never really resonated with that path. I just didn't know what a positive vision for the Feminine path looked like until a handful of years ago. And so, I felt from 16 onwards this sense of my value and lovability decreasing day by day with no way to escape it or control it... and the sense that all of my value will be thrown into the wood chipper by 30.

But I resonate more with the lessons of the Feminine path truly... though there's a lot less control and a lot more surrender as you live your life as a wilting flower as the entirety of society tells you that you're only valuable if you have never wilted.

And I understand a bit deeper the value of being valued as you are now... though it does come with the side effect of a lot of people objectifying you when you're young and learning to take that more as a cue to repel rather than to try harder to attract.

But the real value is learning that you will be loved just for who you are by the right people without needing to maximize your level of physical attractiveness. It's all about sorting the wrong ones and repelling the wrong ones.

Learning to surrender and love yourself as you are and sort accordingly is the female power... which makes it necessary for women to live as a wilting flower and embrace the seasons of life to learn these lessons. And you come to embrace the mercy of losing attractiveness and ceasing to be the goose that laid the golden egg... and the rescinding of societal projections that make you suddenly far less visible in the eyes of society as you are no longer the world's Galatea... but you (as you are) are far more visible at the same time, to the right people.

Not to mention there is a great mercy to not being of childbearing age for your entire life.

So, learning to surrender, sort, and love yourself are the primary ways that women can grow relative to their romantic lives.

Learning to attract is the male power and figuring out how to consciously and deliberately grow yourself enough to let your light shine to attract the right one through having a greater abundance of option (via mass appeal)

There is a lot of difficulty for men to understand these female struggles though... as a man can envy the ease with which young women get male attention. And he may not think of the attractive young woman beyond that short season of her life because he only sees her as the archetype of blank femaleness.

Edited 10 hours ago by Emerald