Is there anything more after Samadhi?

[Breakingthewall]

Then, for a moment, what you are manifests totally. It is total plenitude, what you were searching for. You were searching for yourself. You were lost, wandering in a desert. Every second of your existence was incomplete, and that incompleteness vibrated with an anxious vibration.

Then, immediately, that opening closes, and you instinctively perceive what it is closing, what your structure is, and how it closes. How much distortion, anxiety, need for acceptance, fear, projection into the future, even the immediate future, is in you. You are very impure (I mean me). impurity closes, and there are tons of impurity. It's possible being pure? Has to be absolute, without stain🥱😭 if not, the self is like an armored door

Seeing this allows you to begin to focus and little by little the openess start to be more normal, but still rare, even partial openess is full time if you don't get total openess not far on time things start to get dark. Only openenss is essential, more than anything else . It's a long process that I suppose never ends, although some say it does, that there comes a moment when your openness is total all the time. It seems impossible to me; human nature is very dense. But who knows? Reality is always in motion. If it moves in that direction, its movement is slow but constant,  Inevitable. 

Edited Friday at 11:11 PM by Breakingthewall

[cetus]

Is there anything more after Samadhi?

Less is more. Surrender to the "experience" of samadhi and you vanish. It will absorb you and leave no trace. Poof!

Edited Saturday at 03:13 AM by cetus

[samijiben]

When I read "Mahasamadhi,"  @Eskilon

I spat out my fucking tea.

That is the best response to this question, laughing off my ass

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-04-25 at 11:14 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Their line of thinking implies that the self is a kind of conceptual error and is a real energetic structure. It's as real as something physical, just on another plane of existence. For nondualists, enlightenment is realizing that they are not the self that appears, but the complete experience—"this" as they say.

 

Some talk of the self like it’s a concept , some not. I don’t think it’s a concept at it’s core .

On 2025-04-25 at 11:14 PM, Breakingthewall said:

In my opinion, this is confusing and irrelevant. It's the same to think you are the separate self or the complete experience; the important thing is the openness to what you are, what your nature, your substance, is.

What they talk about is a change of mental schema, but that's still within the mind.

If you “think” you’re the complete experience then yes it’s on concept level but for the self to actually dissolve and then there is only “this “ left sounds like a big shift to me. 
 

 

On 2025-04-25 at 11:14 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Openness is the actual breaking of boundaries, transcending experience and being the ultimate unlimited nature. It doesn't matter if you are the separate self or everything, or whatever, if you can't break through the barrier of experience. The experience must appear as a transparent hologram, irrelevant, simply an experience. Just behind it, beneath the surface, is the whole. The whole requires total surrender, totally letting go of the mind and totally opening the heart. This means totally eliminating fear for a moment. Surrender to reality, to the total absence of foundation, knowledge, understanding, or grounding. There are energy chains that prevent you from doing this; you must dissolve them. 

Listening to non-dualists, it becomes clear that they cannot escape their prison because they do not perceive it. They truly think they are free, and are trapped in the experience.

For you to “be everything” there has to be a breaking of boundaries, so to me the two things seem the same,  when there’s “only this” like non dualists say, and the openness you talk about. 
 

We have a different view of the non dualists. Maybe depends on who you listen to. Some of them I resonate with some not

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-04-26 at 0:03 AM, Breakingthewall said:

So bored talking alone, I couldn't 

You write well here atleast 

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

you “think” you’re the complete experience then yes it’s on concept level but for the self to actually dissolve and then there is only “this “ left sounds like a big shift to me. 

Thanks and I agree, being able to transcend the self is a breaking of a barrier. It's a necessary step to be able to make this shift in meditation easily. Otherwise, meditation is a bombardment of self-referential thoughts that constantly create the bubble of the self. Breaking the bubble is a necessary first step.

I remember the first time this happened to me, while meditating in a park with a little weed. Suddenly, the bubble burst, and reality was fluid, limitless. This lasted for two minutes. Then, you immediately start asking yourself questions, and the bubble returns. But later, you can do it more easily, and at a certain point, your normal state is more open. There has been an essential change; your quality of life has increased by an order of magnitude. But you are still limited by experience. You are the experience that flows. What is this? A flowing experience...it's pleasant, relaxed, not contracted, but you are not in true contact with yourself. There is a wall separating you. Perhaps that is the state of an animal, or the state when you were a child, but if you are honest with yourself, there is always a shadow of dissatisfaction.

If you achieve this normally through meditation, you might think that this is the end of the path, and you become non-dualistic and say all the time that there is no self. But if you are insightful, deep down you will know that something is missing. What is it? Is it impossible to know? Why? There is another barrier. Right now, it's hard for me to talk about this because the last time I managed to break through it, even for a moment, was five days ago, and it’s already fading.

If you achieve a meditative state absolutely empty of interpretation, your realization is that you are now alone in the infinite, without any foundation, arising as experience like a fluid emerging. It can feel strange and intimidating. If you can maintain that truly empty state , without foundation, without God or anything ,just reality in all its depth, at some point this depth will see itself as unfathomable.

Then, reality opens up. What this experience truly is reveals itself . not its form, but its substance. It is something indefinable, but it is what you are. It is total; it is absolute existence arising from the fact of infinity, absolutely free and total.

It doesn’t matter if the experience is being an omnipotent god or a almost dead rat , the substance is the same. You are the substance; the form is irrelevant. Everything is contained in that substance; it is your essence and nothing is missing. What you were seeking is this . it is absolutely impossible for there to be anything more because this is everything. You have always been this. There are no questions; it is the total answer.

The problem is that this closes again. Well, the problem... or the game. It's addictive to try to decipher the code of the structure of this configuration of reality without falling into traps. Nothing compares to it , no sport, game, or challenge. They are children's games; this is the real game. And this is the end of dissatisfaction. anyway, every time that you get this total openess, something changes in your structure, small changes that makes the experience more relaxed, open, fluid. Then the next opening is not so difficult than the other before 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:05 PM by Breakingthewall

[Yimpa]

14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

They are children's games; this is the real game.

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Thanks and I agree, being able to transcend the self is a breaking of a barrier. It's a necessary step to be able to make this shift in meditation easily. Otherwise, meditation is a bombardment of self-referential thoughts that constantly create the bubble of the self. Breaking the bubble is a necessary first step.

I remember the first time this happened to me, while meditating in a park with a little weed. Suddenly, the bubble burst, and reality was fluid, limitless. This lasted for two minutes. Then, you immediately start asking yourself questions, and the bubble returns. But later, you can do it more easily, and at a certain point, your normal state is more open. There has been an essential change; your quality of life has increased by an order of magnitude. But you are still limited by experience. You are the experience that flows. What is this? A flowing experience...it's pleasant, relaxed, not contracted, but you are not in true contact with yourself. There is a wall separating you. Perhaps that is the state of an animal, or the state when you were a child, but if you are honest with yourself, there is always a shadow of dissatisfaction.

If you achieve this normally through meditation, you might think that this is the end of the path, and you become non-dualistic and say all the time that there is no self. But if you are insightful, deep down you will know that something is missing. What is it? Is it impossible to know? Why? There is another barrier. Right now, it's hard for me to talk about this because the last time I managed to break through it, even for a moment, was five days ago, and it’s already fading.

If you achieve a meditative state absolutely empty of interpretation, your realization is that you are now alone in the infinite, without any foundation, arising as experience like a fluid emerging. It can feel strange and intimidating. If you can maintain that truly empty state , without foundation, without God or anything ,just reality in all its depth, at some point this depth will see itself as unfathomable.

Then, reality opens up. What this experience truly is reveals itself . not its form, but its substance. It is something indefinable, but it is what you are. It is total; it is absolute existence arising from the fact of infinity, absolutely free and total.

It doesn’t matter if the experience is being an omnipotent god or a almost dead rat , the substance is the same. You are the substance; the form is irrelevant. Everything is contained in that substance; it is your essence and nothing is missing. What you were seeking is this . it is absolutely impossible for there to be anything more because this is everything. You have always been this. There are no questions; it is the total answer.

The problem is that this closes again. Well, the problem... or the game. It's addictive to try to decipher the code of the structure of this configuration of reality without falling into traps. Nothing compares to it , no sport, game, or challenge. They are children's games; this is the real game. And this is the end of dissatisfaction. anyway, every time that you get this total openess, something changes in your structure, small changes that makes the experience more relaxed, open, fluid. Then the next opening is not so difficult than the other before 

 

Beautifully said. 💞