Eskilon

Is evolution just a quality of this dream/reality?

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Evolution is just Desire process happening on a large scale, all life has this Desire Process happening.

Desire is just the basic need to be more than what You are right now, all life has this within it, Evolution is natures Desiring Process..

Since there is an inherent Intelligence within Everything, this means as Evolution goes on, things get more Life Orientated, or it supposed to be, the problem is that with Humans, since we have Potentially High Levels of Consciousness within Us and Free Will, this is where it gets messed up, but all other life this works perfectly, we just have to Strive to know the Reality as it is, without our Intellects and Ideological identities getting in the Way, which for most is most impossible!

 


Karma Means "Life is my Making", I am 100% responsible for my Inner Experience. -Sadhguru..."I don''t want Your Dreams to come True, I want something to come true for You beyond anything You could dream of!!" - Sadhguru

 

 

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16 hours ago, Eskilon said:

It must exist, otherwise it wouldn't be everything. Everything is a very powerful word that implies very insane stuff lol. If you can imagine anything, it already exists, for you it's just a potentiality but with sufficient consciousness it is reality. One thing could be potentiality and just imagination in one reality and in another it actually exists.

I think so too in a way . What do you mean by “with sufficient consciousness” you mean consciousness is the substance of everything and that it “dreams” realities?

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9 hours ago, Sincerity said:

Evolution is a subset of change.

Reality is Ever-Changing. This is true. But is it ever-evolving? Perhaps. I'd be inclined to say yes, since each new moment/experience is a broadening of what has been already perceived. And with new perceptions, new inspirations and thoughts arise, largely building on previous ones. Slow growth, but growth (= evolution) nevertheless.

Processing things as part of backsliding (like we see right now with the US, for example) is also evolution. Even when it looks like regress.

Evolution, however, is more of an interpretation of experience(s), while change is observed in each and every moment, in actuality. So I wouldn't be attached to the thought of evolution being permanent and absolute. There's truth there, but I don't think it's fully right. Change is true, always. Evolution not necessarily.

Hmm it makes sense. But I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is ever-changing too. God could construct a 100% static world for infinity. Like a room full of objects that is just sitting there. In this case, where is the change?

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7 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

What do you mean by “with sufficient consciousness” you mean consciousness is the substance of everything and that it “dreams” realities?

No I mean, you can imagine anything and make it reality. Like you can imagine an infinite harem of hot blue eyed hiper-conscious females.xD

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When you get to dream, evolution is just a made up concept any picture or text you read  and look at is just made up shit.

If you were dreaming and you went on a computer and learned about evolution in the dream would evolution be a real thing?

Its completely made up. There isnt even a time before the dream moment where evolution could exist.

Where could evolution happen in your dream last night your body wasnt even real.

Thats the same thing here. 5 seconds ago is gone and never happened 5 seconds from now is infinite you just keep reminding yourself that it isnt.

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6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

When you get to dream, evolution is just a made up concept any picture or text you read  and look at is just made up shit.

If you were dreaming and you went on a computer and learned about evolution in the dream would evolution be a real thing?

Its completely made up. There isnt even a time before the dream moment where evolution could exist.

Where could evolution happen in your dream last night your body wasnt even real.

Thats the same thing here.

Yeah it's all made up and it doesn't have any ground. But I'm saying that in this consistent and long dream that we call life, it is happening(you could argue that it's not, but you get my point). But I think I got my answer now after contemplating and reading a little bit here.

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@Eskilon Its not happening. Its a word game. Evolution dosent exist outside a small percent of human experience here. If you spawned as a rat where is evolution. If you were a rat with an extra arm thats not evolution its just there. It exists in your past memory and future projections as words.

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Just now, Hojo said:

Its not happening. Its a word game. Evolution dosent exist outside human experience here.

Then it is happening and it isnt.

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@Eskilon It exists in a .000000001 percent of minds with schizophrenia it dosent exist in a mind with no schizophrenia.

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@Hojo It's the same thing with math, does math exists? Only to certain beings with the intelligence to understand it. It doesn't exist to a rat.

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@Eskilon We are the highest survival animal on the planet. In order to survive you have to see less of truth. We see truth at its lowest level of any animal because we dominate them. We are making things up and our math proves it. Math isnt real we make it up but it works. Because we fit it in in a specific way, using lies. Math says here is 15 lies about reality now we can do math. Then the math gets to a point where it starts to point at these 15 lies that you started with and says Im broken Im wrong and made up.

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10 hours ago, Eskilon said:

God could construct a 100% static world for infinity. Like a room full of objects that is just sitting there.

Well, is that true?

I suggest it’s a matter of observing what’s true, not speculation. Notice reality is ever-changing in each and every moment.

Some things seem like a possibility, eg. „If God is omnipotent, could God erase itself?”. But they’re just not true. Consciousness/God Is. Reality Changes. These „possibilities” are, in a way, mistakes in thinking/understanding.

I suggest the only permanence is Consciousness itself.


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20 hours ago, Eskilon said:

No I mean, you can imagine anything and make it reality. Like you can imagine an infinite harem of hot blue eyed hiper-conscious females.xD

“You” as in a person or as reality being able to imagine everything ?

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9 hours ago, Sincerity said:

possibility

Possibility is a really profound aspect of reality. I've personally haven't experienced the example that I've talked, but I can intuit that it already happened or it will happen, simply because there are no limits. I could be wrong, I'm not saying it's true atm, but I like to question things that are so true that you can't question like "everything is transient".

 

9 hours ago, Sincerity said:

God erase itself?

It already did, God is nowhere to be found. 

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8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

“You” as in a person or as reality being able to imagine everything ?

When you become more conscious the sense of You expand, and your intelligence too. You become more and more identical with reality or source.

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Just now, Eskilon said:

When you become more conscious the sense of You expand, and your intelligence too. You become more and more identical with reality or source.

But even if you lose your sense of self, and become one with everything, your reality will still function by the regular rules and be limited to your particular dream (maybe if you delevop some siddhis the rules can change but that is still limited in what you can develop ). At least that’s how it works on this planet, I’m open to the possibility of it being different somewhere else in reality 

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8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

But even if you lose your sense of self, and become one with everything, your reality will still function by the regular rules and be limited to your particular dream

Not really, when you access a high state of consciousness, be it via psychedelics or other method, you are exiting consensus reality and peeking at something else. So the rules change as you reality for that particular moment change. There are states that even the notion of rules is silly lol. 

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1 minute ago, Eskilon said:

Not really, when you access a high state of consciousness, be it via psychedelics or other method, you are exiting consensus reality and peeking at something else. So the rules change as you reality for that particular moment change.

But has someone ever experienced how during that high state of consciousness they are able to “dream up” whatever, manifest whatever from their mind? (which is different to being conscious that you’re dreaming reality, because that’s not the same as actually changing reality)

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14 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

I've personally haven't experienced the example that I've talked, but I can intuit that it already happened

If it did „happen”, it wasn’t static forever because it’s not true now, so the ever-changing nature won after all and the „static infinity” didn’t happen. :)

14 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

It already did, God is nowhere to be found. 

God is everywhere to be found.* :)


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3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

But has someone ever experienced how during that high state of consciousness they are able to “dream up” whatever, manifest whatever from their mind?

Yes it is possible, more common on psychedelics than other methods.

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