Is evolution just a quality of this dream/reality?

[Eskilon]

I think the impulse for consciousness to evolve and to become more intelligent and therefore LEARN it's just a feature of this particular dream, not at all in all realms of consciousness. What do you guys think?

[ChrisZoZo]

If you take the spiral dynamic model of people who are stage purple have a better quality of consciousness than stage red.

[Eskilon]

10 hours ago, ChrisZoZo said:

If you take the spiral dynamic model of people who are stage purple have a better quality of consciousness than stage red.

Yeah, in a sense they have a more pure consciousness. But they are less aware of things in reality than the stage that goes beyond it. Their scope of experience is more limited.

The thing I'm wrestling here is that, the phenomenon of consciouness getting more and more aware of things might just be an experience of this dream, and it is not happening across the board in every conceivable possibility.

Edited Monday at 06:08 PM by Eskilon

[Norbert Somogyi]

We have this body that interfaces consciousness pretty well (at least in comparison to animals, from our egotistic point of view that is). Adaptation is an innate part of our survival (be it behavior, culture, technology, coordination or even consciousness). Such adaptation allows consciousness to see and experience itself from an infinite points of finite viewpoints, exploring itself again and again. There may be realities where adaptation and change does not exist, but it's weird to even think about.

I guess you can ask people who tripped balls on Salvia and experienced being a chair for a 100 years, for example. It's fascinating, really.

Edited Monday at 06:14 PM by Norbert Somogyi

[Sugarcoat]

I think for the self to arise there needs to be a structure that can produce that self. And this structure needs to be stable through time to produce a self that is stable through time. And this structure is a brain. And this brain took years of evolution to evolve. So you’re conscious now of reality , and you’re asking why is reality this way, well because it’s in this type of reality that consciousness/self arises, giving you the ability to ask that question 

Edited Monday at 06:22 PM by Sugarcoat

[Eskilon]

19 minutes ago, Norbert Somogyi said:

I guess you can ask people who tripped balls on Salvia and experienced being a chair for a 100 years, for example. It's fascinating, really.

Yeah, I might need to experience that to crack this question lol

[Eskilon]

17 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I think for the self to arise there needs to be a structure that can produce that self. And this structure needs to be stable through time to produce a self that is stable through time. And this structure is a brain. And this brain took years of evolution to evolve. So you’re conscious now of reality , and you’re asking why is reality this way, well because it’s in this type of reality that consciousness/self arises, giving you the ability to ask that question 

The thing is, this cause and effect of needing something for something else to exist might just be a feature of this dream. The reason this reality is so convincing is because it's too consistent and it goes to a process of graduation for things to occur. For example you can't just become fluent in a language instantly, you need a process, you need time, you need graduation in order for you to cognize whatever you are trying to become more aware of. It's a restriction of this dream, or at least, a restriction of a state of consciousness that most are experiencing now.

Edited Monday at 06:39 PM by Eskilon

[Sugarcoat]

37 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

The thing is, this cause and effect of needing something for something else to exist might just be a feature of this dream. The reason this reality is so convincing is because it's too consistent and it goes to a process of graduation for things to occur. For example you can't just become fluent in a language instantly, you need a process, you need time, you need graduation in order for you to cognize whatever you are trying to become more aware of. It's a restriction of this dream, or at least, a restriction of a state of consciousness that most are experiencing now.

It’s very fascinating indeed. 
 

I have wondered to myself about this too. Like maybe all the rules to reality is just one of the infinite possibilities that reality can be. Like reality could dream up another kind of reality with opposite rules. But then the thing is, just because something COULD exist, does it mean that it does? Like maybe all the possible scenarios don’t exist
 

And why is this reality so structured? Why isn’t it just random things appearing, like a pink elephant jumping around one moment then a rainbow unicorn the next. Why is my apartment the same everyday, why is my body the same every day. It’s one of the most fascinating questions. And why doesn’t a self appear in objects (or so it seems can we really know) like a stone doesn’t have a self. So it seems in this particular reality a brain is needed for a sense of self. But does it need to be that way always? Who knows. 

Edited Monday at 07:16 PM by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Norbert Somogyi said:

I guess you can ask people who tripped balls on Salvia and experienced being a chair for a 100 years, for example. It's fascinating, really.

Wtf that’s so cool. You mean the time perception was of 100 years not actually 100 years? Now I get why you mentioned salvia in that other thread talking about brains and consciousness. 

[Norbert Somogyi]

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Wtf that’s so cool. You mean the time perception was of 100 years not actually 100 years? Now I get why you mentioned salvia in that other thread talking about brains and consciousness. 

The 100 years can easily be just an exaggeration, but time-dilation seems to be rather heavy on those trips. They may last for hours, but the experience can seemingly feel like lasting for years. It's hard to pinpoint though, given how memories are not exactly coherent from the trip. Once you come back, the brain can interpret the trip in a myriad ways and some details will definitely get lost.

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Norbert Somogyi said:

The 100 years can easily be just an exaggeration, but time-dilation seems to be rather heavy on those trips. They may last for hours, but the experience can seemingly feel like lasting for years. It's hard to pinpoint though, given how memories are not exactly coherent from the trip. Once you come back, the brain can interpret the trip in a myriad ways and some details will definitely get lost.

Yea I was thinking it was due to the change in perception of time. It’s cool . And yes I can imagine memory can mess it up. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

The thing is, this cause and effect of needing something for something else to exist might just be a feature of this dream. The reason this reality is so convincing is because it's too consistent and i

Reality is not a dream, it is unlimited potential being developed. For something to exist, the possibility simply has to exist, and possibility means that reality must be completely synchronized for that possibility to occur.

[Sugarcoat]

Some non dualists like Jim Newman whom I like how he speaks, says something alone the lines of how continuity is a part of the “dream” , and that reality is actually chaotic, this is chaos. Something like that. It’s weird because for us reality seems very structured. But maybe they mean the total of reality 

[Oppositionless]

12 hours ago, ChrisZoZo said:

If you take the spiral dynamic model of people who are stage purple have a better quality of consciousness than stage red.

I watched a YouTube video about the papaua New Guinea tribes. The interviewer asked what one of the men thought about gays, and he said that if his son was gay he'd kill him. I say this to try to dispel the progressive idolization of stage purple. 

Edited Monday at 08:05 PM by Oppositionless

[Eskilon]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

But then the thing is, just because something COULD exist, does it mean that it does? Like maybe all the possible scenarios don’t exist

It must exist, otherwise it wouldn't be everything. Everything is a very powerful word that implies very insane stuff lol. If you can imagine anything, it already exists, for you it's just a potentiality but with sufficient consciousness it is reality. One thing could be potentiality and just imagination in one reality and in another it actually exists.

Edited Monday at 09:49 PM by Eskilon

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

It must exist, otherwise it wouldn't be everything. If you can imagine anything, it already exists, for you it's just a potentiality but with sufficient consciousness it is reality. One thing could be potentiality and just imagination in one reality and in the other it actually exists.

For something exist as a form it must fit absolutely perfect in synchrony with the infinites forms that the infinite potential is developing. It's impossible to think or imagine but if you think about it deeply you will see that this is the only possible possibly, any other is impossible. The totality of the form that can't be even intuit by the human mind have to be absolutely perfect in its balance and synchrony in infinite dimensions to infinite power. It's the same if you say that it's god imagining or the potential developing, in both cases infinite forms arises and all of them contains the infinite reality and fits exactly to the infinite power. This shit is the perfection, even it could seems a big piece of shit. 

Edited Monday at 09:55 PM by Breakingthewall

[Yimpa]

@Breakingthewall you are the living embodiment of Weed 

Edited Monday at 09:57 PM by Yimpa
Weed with a capital W

[Eskilon]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The totality of the form that can't be even intuit by the human mind have to be absolutely perfect in its balance and synchrony in infinite dimensions to infinite power.

It is always the case, because consciousness is the only thing that exists, by being infinite there is always room for more and it will always makes sense and be balanced. An infinite abyss is always balanced and perfect.

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

@Breakingthewall you are the living embodiment of weed 

Just logical deduction . How could be something independent of anything else? It's impossible. Everything is connected as a form, all the structures have infinite ramifications, this dance is like an infinite machine perfectly balanced. Better don't think too much in this stuff because makes me sick . The only way to free the mind is getting open to the nature of reality. Try to understand the structure of infinity with the mind is insane, sick,.but difficult to avoid 

Edited Monday at 10:06 PM by Breakingthewall

[Sincerity]

Evolution is a subset of change.

Reality is Ever-Changing. This is true. But is it ever-evolving? Perhaps. I'd be inclined to say yes, since each new moment/experience is a broadening of what has been already perceived. And with new perceptions, new inspirations and thoughts arise, largely building on previous ones. Slow growth, but growth (= evolution) nevertheless.

Processing things as part of backsliding (like we see right now with the US, for example) is also evolution. Even when it looks like regress.

Evolution, however, is more of an interpretation of experience(s), while change is observed in each and every moment, in actuality. So I wouldn't be attached to the thought of evolution being permanent and absolute. There's truth there, but I don't think it's fully right. Change is true, always. Evolution not necessarily.

Edited Tuesday at 12:06 PM by Sincerity