LD50 for 5-MeO is actually probably 10x the maximum recommended dose

[Clarence]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's hard to say because everyone is so different.

The only way to know is to experiment and see what you discover. But the more you experiment the more dangerous it gets.

What you're saying makes a lot of sense, but my questions were more about how clear and valuable those trips were for you, to gain insight into their potential benefits before experimenting myself.

[Leo Gura]

48 minutes ago, Clarence said:

What you're saying makes a lot of sense, but my questions were more about how clear and valuable those trips were for you, to gain insight into their potential benefits before experimenting myself.

The evolution of my trips was not tied to any one dose or chemical. It was a cumulative effort from 100s of trips and lots of sensemaking work.

High doses are often counter-productive because the trips are too radical to make sense of or even remember.

Your goal should be sensemaking, not dose-maxing.

Edited Tuesday at 06:18 PM by Leo Gura

[Clarence]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your goal should be sensemaking, not dose-maxing.

Of course, that's why my questions were geared towards the benefits of high dosing for sensemaking.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Clarence said:

Of course, that's why my questions were geared towards the benefits of high dosing for sensemaking.

For sensemaking, lower and longer is better than higher and shorter.

[Clarence]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

For sensemaking, lower and longer is better than higher and shorter.

I was targeting sensemaking at every layer of depth — or rather, I was targeting all possible Awakenings.

I believe you must have reached deeper Awakenings trough very high doses (such as Alien Love). But it makes sense that such trips would also be harder to make sense of or remember.

I'm thinking long term here for myself. I was just wondering whether to focus only on normal and high doses, or also consider slowly increasing the doses if that meant going further.

I'm not in a hurry to increase, and I still have a lot of tripping to do regardless. I also understand this work is cumulative, so it was just about gaining more clarity on this specific aspect.

You've basically answered my questions. I do still wonder what else you experienced on those dosages, but it might not be possible or valuable for you to share.

Edited Tuesday at 08:02 PM by Clarence

[Leo Gura]

My results didn't come from crazy dosages, they came from really properly using my mind for sensemaking.

It's what you understand that matters most. When your understanding gets serious enough you hardly even need psychedelics.

Edited Tuesday at 08:09 PM by Leo Gura

[Loveeee]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

High doses are often counter-productive because the trips are too radical to make sense of or even remember.

Ever had a whiteout ? What even is it, do you simply not remember or you're not even there ? People who go batshit without control nor recollection, does that count as a whiteout 

What's your metaphysical interpretation of them ? Isn't a whiteout basically too fast of a leap in consciousness, meaning dosage, ROA but also your baseline come into play 

[The Crocodile]

@Loveeee Sometimes a drug is just a drug. A whiteout usually means unconscious.

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, The Crocodile said:

@Loveeee Sometimes a drug is just a drug. 

That's what God wants you to think 

[Clarence]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My results didn't come from crazy dosages, they came from really properly using my mind for sensemaking.

It's what you understand that matters most.

That's true… I will simply focus on that.

But it makes sense to be curious about it. You don't meet people who've taken 100 mg of 5-MeO every day.

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Ever had a whiteout ?

No

[Vynce]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No

Likewise, had you ever had an experience were you became unconscious and woke up after it, not remembering anything?

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Vynce said:

Likewise, had you ever had an experience were you became unconscious and woke up after it, not remembering anything?

No