What is experience?

[Sugarcoat]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The self is formed by the concrete configuration of this dimension of reality , but it is not a requirement for experience to exist. Imagine you have brain surgery and become retarded, and your memory is zero and your intellectual capacity is zero, but you continue receiving sensory information. Reality is colors, changes of state, physical sensations, in a continuous present moment. Even if your memory of what happened one second ago disappears, the ripple is occurring. In the pure present, there is movement, sensation. You know nothing, not even that you are alive, nor what absolutely anything means, only sensations, forms, movement. That is experience, that is reality, only in a simpler state, but it's quality is the same than our experience, only that our experience has another level of complexity 

This “concrete configuration “ is the brain right?

But for experience to happen doesn’t there need to be some sense of duality? For one to recognize something as happening. Otherwise it’s like nothing. And that duality is self even if it’s really simple. Like doesn’t a retarded person still have some kind of self

[Applegarden8]

Experience is nothing!!! Nothing is everything so experience is everything!

[Sugarcoat]

i constantly feel like I exist and constantly feel like there’s something going on, something happening, that to me is experience.  But there must be something else than this experience, may that be nothing, maybe it’s a paradox because you can’t experience nothing so all I have is experience of something

I mean this constant experience, there must be something else than this. Maybe that’s what’s “longed for”

Edited Monday at 02:12 PM by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

41 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

This “concrete configuration “ is the brain right?

But for experience to happen doesn’t there need to be some sense of duality? For one to recognize something as happening. Otherwise it’s like nothing. And that duality is self even if it’s really simple. Like doesn’t a retarded person still have some kind of self

The point is that someone recognizing that something is happening is something that is happening. That's why it's all so complicated. One thing is self and another infinite being without limits. Infinite being is not a perceiver, it the reality, and ultimately you are that, but the actual configuration of the reality create a perceptor that is separated of the perception. That separation happens due the possibility that the external really can kills you. "You" are the structure of reality that is vibrating in that frequency now, there are infinite structures, because the reality is limitless, and they organize in infinite synchronicities, but all are just manifestations of the infinite being. Infinite being is just absence of limits, that it's not something but as nothing limits it, It is, because not being is not a possibility, would be limited, and you are that. Shocking right? Seems impossible but it's inevitable and absolutely obvious.

Edited Monday at 02:46 PM by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's impossible because without movement there is no "happening", no time. But stillness is impossible because now it's movement, then it's stillness, then it's movement again. So where is the stillness? Nowhere , never happened, because it's nothing. The movement is absolute because it's contrary, the stillness, is nothing. It's an absence not something with a reality. Absence is always covered by presence, because there are not limits, so at the end the movement will happen, and "at the end" is always. 

Maybe someone could say: "in deep meditation i reach the stillness" . Sure, when infinite movements are happening in you, infinite quantum vibrations synchronized at infinite power, and the guy believes that by not thinking for a while he has reached "stillness"

Hard to wrap mind around. I am imagining like a scenario of trying to create complete stillness. Maybe something like a sensory depravation floating tank. But that still couldn’t produce complete stillness, there would be the sensation of heartbeat for example. 

[gettoefl]

Experience is what you call consciousness. It appears as the body seeing a world and you are conscious of the world, to varying degrees. But here’s the issue: this is suffering, and, as you can well attest, you are stuck.

At essence, your experience is awareness: yourself knowing yourself in sat-chit-ananda, eternally. You have never left this essence. You like to pretend to, for the sake of a little off-radar entertainment.

Consciousness is fun but it has a cost. As far as this universe is concerned, consciousness ends. Awareness is the only game in time.

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

This is correct, Experience is everything, we experience no experience too while in Deep Sleep, Subjectively everything is within You this Self of sorts, to deny the Self is to deny Experience and therefore Existence and Life itself which is a major misnomer on the Spiritual path but many fall into this trap that nothing exists, nothing is happening, no one exists or only I exist and these sorts of things..

Experience is mostly coming from the basic 5 senses synthesized in the Brain but there are other levels of Experience not using those senses and have to be strived for, we are given the basic 5 to survive another day combined with our superior Intellect, but this is Survival level only which most are living on, strive for more (beyond simple accumulation of ppl, places and things) and it will be shown to You as this is what it means to be Human! 

Maybe it’s true nobody exists so it’s not a trap

Theres also experience in the astral realm as the astral body. But I have experienced how the self , the physical self has an affect on the self in the astral realm. So it’s like the brain is the basis for self, so I think

[Schizophonia]

What is a chocolate bar ? 

[Hojo]

@Breakingthewall notice how you can only say I remeber being a baby. You can never say I am a baby. Maybe your conciousness goes into your body and you are flooded with knowledge of what happened to this object.

[Yimpa]

25 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

What is a chocolate bar ? 

[Breakingthewall]

37 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Hard to wrap mind around. I am imagining like a scenario of trying to create complete stillness. Maybe something like a sensory depravation floating tank. But that still couldn’t produce complete stillness, there would be the sensation of heartbeat for example. 

It's much easier, you could be anesthetized with propofol and your mental processes will stop completely, with which you will jump in time to where those processes restart, so the off lapse simply will not have happened, because happening implies movement

[UnbornTao]

Nice, let's keep looking into it.

What is the act of experiencing? What is "experiencing" something, as opposed to thinking about it, feeling it, or having opinions about it?

What's the difference, say, between experiencing the act of thinking vs having a thought as usual?

[Sugarcoat]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's much easier, you could be anesthetized with propofol and your mental processes will stop completely, with which you will jump in time to where those processes restart, so the off lapse simply will not have happened, because happening implies movement

By mental processes stopping do you mean just the thoughts or sense perception too? Because you can have a quiet mind while still having sense perceptions so still having movement = experience 

[Breakingthewall]

44 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

By mental processes stopping do you mean just the thoughts or sense perception too? Because you can have a quiet mind while still having sense perceptions so still having movement = experience 

What I mean is that the experience never stops because if it stops it's never, the experience is absolute because has not opposite. The experience is the reality, it's the infinite being in one of its infinite manifestations, but seems limited because we are trapped in the limitations that this structure of experience has by default. What we are is the experience, and in the experience the subject is constructed. In some cases the experience has the push to break that limitations. Seems like an evolutive movement that happens when some structures reach some point. 

You could say that the absence of experience is another aspect of the infinite being, could be true in theory but the experience cancel the no experience, movement cancel stillness 

[Sugarcoat]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What I mean is that the experience never stops because if it stops it's never, the experience is absolute because has not opposite. The experience is the reality, it's the infinite being in one of its infinite manifestations, but seems limited because we are trapped in the limitations that this structure of experience has by default. What we are is the experience, and in the experience the subject is constructed. In some cases the experience has the push to break that limitations. Seems like an evolutive movement that happens when some structures reach some point. 

You could say that the absence of experience is another aspect of the infinite being, could be true in theory but the experience cancel the no experience, movement cancel stillness 

Could you say that is why it seems we “skip” deep sleep? Because it’s no experience so it’s like it’s day, then we dream then it’s directly day.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Could you say that is why it seems we “skip” deep sleep? Because it’s no experience so it’s like it’s day, then we dream then it’s directly day.

Just the experience is happening, the no experience is not happening. Imagine being frozen and waking up in a million years. What happened in that time? Nothing and everything. Reality is infinite, it's impossible to be finite. This means there are infinite lines of experience, and they're all continuous. Even if their structure changes completely, it's absolutely impossible for the experience to stop, because your experience is total existence, and so are the others. I don't see any other possibility.

Let's see. I just speak from the logic that is born from the realization of the unlimited. It's because anything else seems impossible because nothing can be limited, limits are apparent not real. If infinite is the case , everything is infinite, and it's impossible that infinite is not the case

[PurpleTree]

Origin and history of experience

experience(n.)

late 14c., "observation as the source of knowledge; actual observation; an event which has affected one," from Old French esperience "experiment, proof, experience" (13c.), from Latin experientia"a trial, proof, experiment; knowledge gained by repeated trials," from experientem (nominative experiens) "experienced, enterprising, active, industrious," present participle of experiri"to try, test," from ex "out of" (see ex-) + peritus "experienced, tested," from PIE *per-yo-, suffixed form of root *per- (3) "to try, risk." Meaning "state of having done something and gotten handy at it" is from late 15c.

also from late 14c.

experience(v.)

1530s, "to test, try, learn by practical trial or proof;" see experience (n.). Sense of "feel, undergo" first recorded 1580s. Related: Experienced; experiences; experiencing.
 

https://www.etymonline.com/word/experience

[Sugarcoat]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Just the experience is happening, the no experience is not happening. Imagine being frozen and waking up in a million years. What happened in that time? Nothing and everything. Reality is infinite, it's impossible to be finite. This means there are infinite lines of experience, and they're all continuous. Even if their structure changes completely, it's absolutely impossible for the experience to stop, because your experience is total existence, and so are the others. I don't see any other possibility.

Let's see. I just speak from the logic that is born from the realization of the unlimited. It's because anything else seems impossible because nothing can be limited, limits are apparent not real. If infinite is the case , everything is infinite, and it's impossible that infinite is not the case

Ok . It’s something to chew on

[Princess Arabia]

Does a baby experience anything. Can you recall the moment you exited the womb. Do you remember when you were 3mths old. The baby doesn't recall or can't tell you about it when they grow older because they KNEW nothing.  A person with no memory or is brain dead, are they experiencing anything. If, for instance, a brain-dead person regained their brain's capacity, can they tell you what it was like and what they experienced as a brain-dead person. 

Experience is knowledge. You and experience are one. There is no separate entity that experiences for you and without the knowledge of you being there. You know because you are. You experience because you know you exist. You are experience, you are knowledge. Without either, you are nothing. 

[Norbert Somogyi]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Nice, let's keep looking into it.

What is the act of experiencing? What is "experiencing" something, as opposed to thinking about it, feeling it, or having opinions about it?

What's the difference, say, between experiencing the act of thinking vs having a thought as usual?

An 'act' of experiencing, huh. Can this even exist? I mean an act has a beginning and an end, and to me experience seems to be constantly emerging and dynamically changing. Having opinions and thinking about experience, is just experience self-reflecting upon itself. There may be a line, but I can no longer distinguish between them. Guess this is a great experience to reflect on the famous free-will vs determinism debate.

You can categorize your experiences based on how you define each parameter and what you are trying to convey, but isn't that experience just reflecting on its' experiences? I guess maybe I'm not experiencing myself (at least self-reflectively) when I'm in acting mode (when shit needs to get done), but wouldn't that be experience experiencing itself in a raw manner (without self-reflection)?

I can't think of a way to differentiate experiencing the act of thinking vs having the thought. I guess experience just wills thoughts into existence? It's a mindfuck.

Edited Monday at 05:48 PM by Norbert Somogyi