If self development doesn’t go spiritual then it goes manic/horrifying.

[ChrisZoZo]

This is an opinion I have although of course I don’t think this is the case all the time. But in +50% of the cases I would guess it would go that way. 
 

It’s just a thought I have you does anyone think the same?

 

RSD people is a good example of this. When money/power becomes the main focus. You can become less integral, greedy manic and a bully. 

[Salvijus]

The signature cracks me up every time 👆

[Sugarcoat]

Spirituality sometimes deals with emotions, nervous system regulation, holistic health, all those things when worked on reduce the neurotic stress that can be associated with self development, one can get burnout for example. So that’s a risk if you don’t include spirituality.

[Nivsch]

The more you try to become a model you absorbed from society (and less the path your mind is actually meant to follow) the more disconnected you get from your core, which destabilizes the system and increases the waves it creates.

[ChrisZoZo]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

The more you try to become a model you absorbed from society (and less the path your mind is actually meant to follow) the more disconnected you get from your core, which destabilizes the system and increases the waves it creates.

That’s good statement to add to this discussion. It’s like a meta perspective but also narrows in.

[ChrisZoZo]

@Salvijus lol nice.

[Ulax]

I don’t think it’s so black and white.

Look at someone like Steven Covey or Jim Rohn. From what I understand, they were very into self development and led noble lives. But weren’t into spirituality.

[Norbert Somogyi]

This ancient thread came to mind upon this question, Leo explains it in a way that resonates with me very well.

I've tried to use spirituality as a means to transcend, but I was but a teen. It ended up as bypassing - escapism from my pain. Thankfully I learned to let go of it before it was too late, and have been building up myself ever since. Plenty of horizontal growth to do before I can learn to fly.

From my point of view they go hand in hand, in different ratios in different points in different people's lives. Some may resonate with spirituality at an early stage of their self-development (which can but not always turn into a bypassing - escape from their pain and suffering), while some may find it threatening until later stages. No wonder most models of developmental psychology (Maslow, Wilber, SD, EDT etc.) include (if) spirituality towards the end of self-development. The model that includes spirituality in the most comprehensive way I have come across is Wilber's ladder or Stages of Consciousness. Skipping levels is rarely viable, and you can easily imagine how much development it takes to go through and reach a point in your path where spirituality can be embraced without issues.

It is like light and shadow - The bigger your shadow (figuratively) is, the fiercer and longer the battle it will have against light (spirituality and awakening).

In regards to answer for your question (besides not having a clear definition of what spirituality really means to you), I believe a lot of us have plenty of room to grow horizontally. Spirituality may not even necessarily become an integral part of our lifetime, and that's okay. When you reach a certain point of maturity and openness, spirituality will find you either way.

Edited April 18 by Norbert Somogyi
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[integral]

It tends to be that they’re young, have no grounding yet in life and then they start doing psychedelics

My sister’s friend who was 20 started doing DMT and apparently saw the truth and got addicted to that state of consciousness of being one with everything, she didn’t wanna live anymore as a normal human after experiencing that bliss and union of God, so she started to abuse DMT every day and then when she could not get access to the drug anymore, she committed suicide, the family was devastated. She was physically perfectly healthy without anything wrong with her, all this took place in six months of drug use. She wanted to die and become one again as she recognized this was absolute truth.

it has to do with your level of maturity and grounding before starting this work

Edited April 18 by integral

[Jacob Morres]

The opposite is also true

If self development goes spiritual then it goes manic/horrifying 

Ive seen it happen first hand to someone ik

[Ishanga]

Most Everybody is doing Yoga or Spirituality, its just a matter of how conscious they are of their actions.. 

Most Everybody wants to be more than what they are right Now, True or False? If its True for You, whether You call it Self help/development or Spirituality, its basically the same things, as with everything there are levels to it, a big problem is ppl read "Enlightenment" stories then afterwards want to be Enlightened, but they can't even keep a stable state of Peacefulness or Happiness for one hour, so they are running before they even know how to stand!

This is why systems and Guru's, Ashrams are in place, so one doesn't go out on their own and then end up crazy for doing what they are doing...