Sugarcoat

A thought about reincarnation

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1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

The Ultimate Desire is too be Unbounded or Totally Free, this is Liberation or Moskha, where Your merged with Absolute, or some say higher up realms, so yes this is mostly about Absolute Realization, reincarnation I would say is just a cycling program to allow it too happen over a longer period of time for this sort of expression of life as we know it too be...

How all of this is happening is a mystery for Me, my only conclusion is that its a program of sorts to allow Potential as we know to be expressed here based on our laws of physics and how our reality is set up, it could be completely different somewhere else in another reality of sorts!   

Fully merging back with God might be an ultimate desire, though I believe as important is the desire for God — and for us as individual beings — to fully know and experience Itself/ourselves.

It's not just about becoming One again with the Ultimate (though we're never separate), but also about exhausting self-discovery and experience, even if it's infinite.

From my perspective, one life as a human is just a very tiny experience of ourselves, where we can learn, for example, what it’s like to live in a physical body and experience a material reality.

We might need to experience it many times just to get used to it and understand ourselves better — to understand who we are as infinite beings and simply evolve.

It's quite fascinating actually to be dropped into this reality, not knowing anything about it, nor the reasons why we're here, nor what we need to do. I'm in shock just for being here in a body I can move. It's astounding.

It would be great to have flashbacks into what we were before incarnating, or flash-forwards into what it will be like after death.

Some people have experienced this through in-between lifetimes regression hypnosis, but I hold the believe I couldn't access that due to my overactive analytical mind, so I haven't tried.

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4 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Body is just one aspect of what makes us Human, there is still the Mind, Emotions and Energy systems and two other bodies of sorts that make up what we are well here and Embodied... You don't get how there is something more to You than just Your Body because Your Awareness of these other "bodies" is not developed yet, its simple, hence why we have practices that put these bodies into Your Awareness..

What goes on they say after Your present day Body dies, is Your Energy Body, Astral Body and Bliss body, embedded in the Energy Body is Your Karma, no discretionary ability is there with You while in this realm, just Your Tendencies picked up from this lifetime added on to all the other tendencies and conditioning/karma that was created via all the other lifetimes (as human, insect, plant, animal, etc) that you have collected over thousands of lifetimes probably, who knows? Depending on how Conscious, or how developed You were Spiritually determines what Body you will go into for the next lifetime... If You reached Enlightenment during this lifetime, and the alloted Karma is used Up, there is still a warehouse of Karma left, but what they say is that at the moment of Enlightenment and dissolution/moskha/liberation your no longer going to go on and live another life and merge no existence or Absolute, but others say You go on to other higher realms...

Why is all this happening? My guess it is simply for Absolute to know itself via Experience, Experience on the amoeba level, plant level, insect level, animal level and Human Level which is the top end of the scale as far as we know..We are part of a Possibility/Potential  equation, where everything that can be is, so here we have Duality, Consequence/Karma, Materialism/Physicality in existence and we play the game of how to get back to Absolute, via that Experiences happen of all sorts, Trillions upon Trillions of Experiences and via that Absolute Experiences itself..

I believe this to have truth to it, what you wrote. I have myself became aware of the astral body, and the energy in the body, and the mind! 
 

I think all of this exists because it can, there’s no reason behind creation, it can be anything, it can be really complex. Plus existence is duality , it means to stick out. We can only experience existence if we have self,

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4 hours ago, Clarence said:

I believe reincarnation is true — and also agree that it is a relative truth.

There are well studied cases of people remembering past lives in extreme details.

But I also think that reincarnation doesn't necessarily have to be bound to Earth, that someone's consciousness could choose to keep evolving, after a life on Earth, in a different world or reality, such as in a non-physical reality.

I wish to understand in great detail how God/Consciousness proceeds to divide itself and create realities and independent conscious beings. I understand at the Absolute level how it is possible, but a lot of pieces are missing to precisely know its design.

It's like I understand how a skyscraper can be build, but I don't master how all the parts are put together to make it stand perfectly.

I also wish to understand who we are and what we experience when we are not limited to a human life like this one. I think this avatar is just a tiny part of ourselves, and that we will expand back to our higher, vaster consciousness once we die.

That's such an interesting topic, even if it is part of the relative domain.

I believe in some form of reincarnation too. And the people remembering past lives support that.

I am also open to the idea of there being other forms of life, in other places or maybe even pararell realms

What you’re trying to understand might be one of the hardest tasks because you’re dealing with reality on fundamental level. But it might be possible to find out still.

Relative truths are worth exploring! It’s very fascinating!

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3 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat people walk around life pretending like they exist outside the body and are real and interact with others. You dont feel like you have presence outside the body? You don't feel like you exist outside the body at all?

Like if you have ever grabbed your arm and said this is my arm you are pretending you exist outside the body how can you see your own arm and grab it if you weren't? The process of looking outside your body and seeing that you exist there is what I'm talking about. Its how you differentiate between other objects and yourself.

Have you ever kept a secret? That means you know you exist in 2 places at once but dont want 1 place to know. 1 place you know the secret and the 2nd you wont say.

 

 

i feel i am separate from my body but located in the skull

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3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

i feel i am separate from my body but located in the skull

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@Sugarcoat so you are in your skull while controlling something outside of your skull from the inside. You can see the outside of your body from inside your skull. So you are living inside and outside your skull at the same time. 2 different worlds.

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Just now, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat so you are in your skull while controlling something outside of your skull from the inside. You can see the outside of your body from inside your skull. So you are living inside and outside your skull at the same time. 2 different worlds.

Never thought about it that way 

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@Sugarcoat God is, there is actually nothing outside your skull and its all happening inside your skull from a source you cant experience and dosent exist.

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2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat God is, there is actually nothing outside your skull and its all happening inside your skull from a source you cant experience and dosent exist.

What do you mean the source doesn’t exist

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@Sugarcoat its make up thats its coming from somewhere else. You dont actually know what it is. the only thing you can know is that when you close your eyes there is nothing and when you go to sleep you are just staring at the nothingness. That nothingness is the thing that is reincarnating.

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Your experience is not inside a skull. You have never seen your skull but a representation of it, or you might have seen others' skulls, which you can use to imagine that yours might be like that.

Furthermore, that representation of your skull is inside your direct experience.

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3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat its make up thats its coming from somewhere else. You dont actually know what it is. the only thing you can know is that when you close your eyes there is nothing and when you go to sleep you are just staring at the nothingness. That nothingness is the thing that is reincarnating.

How could nothing reincarnate

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@Sugarcoat cause thats what God is close your eyes thats God. God is closer to you than 'outside'.

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1 minute ago, Nemra said:

Your experience is not inside a skull. You have never seen your skull but a representation of it, or you might have seen others' skulls, which you can use to imagine that yours might be like that.

Furthermore, that representation of your skull is inside your direct experience.

All I have is direct experience yes. And within (not the best experience) that experience is an experience of myself. I am myself but I’m also experiencing myself as an object . Maybe I’m misinterpreting but it’s like this twisted thing. I am both aware of myself but I can’t locate myself exactly because I am myself directly 

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2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat cause thats what God is close your eyes thats God. God is closer to you than 'outside'.

It’s all god…

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@Sugarcoat, by direct experience, I also mean that you are not having or you are imagining a separate conscious experience with other humans.

Notice that you are choosing what "myself" is in your direct experience, like your voice, face, touching sensation, eyes, etc., believing that if you have more control over them, they are more likely "you" than "other". You are not even sure if you are really in control, but as long as you have some direct control, you believe you have full control over them. So, what you believe you have direct control over, you consider "myself".

However, if you are conscious that everything is in your experience, then concluding that you are some separate thing inside it is missing the point.

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@Sugarcoat what I'm saying is outside and inside are in the same spot thsre is no out there. Only in here with nothingness.

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12 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat what I'm saying is outside and inside are in the same spot thsre is no out there. Only in here with nothingness.

That’s non duality 

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19 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Sugarcoat, by direct experience, I also mean that you are not having or you are imagining a separate conscious experience with other humans.

Notice that you are choosing what "myself" is in your direct experience, like your voice, face, touching sensation, eyes, etc.

If you are conscious that everything is in your experience, then concluding that you are some separate thing inside it is missing the point.

Everything being in my experience concludes a self that is having that experience 

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@Sugarcoat yes it is that is what reincarnate. The black space and you are erased from it. Then the lights come back on and you are something else. Still you the darkness but as something new.

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