Question about why is there something rather than nothing video

[Staples]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no difference between anything!

 

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Logic IS reality.

How do you reconcile these two points? @Leo Gura

If we define logic as something like a system that formalizes distinctions... 

Then how can we say there is no difference between anything?

In order for logic to be reality, then we must assume that some set of distinctions is fundamental to reality, or else there is nothing to use logic on. Logic can't work as a singularity, it's dualistic by nature.

[Salvijus]

I believe to have an answer to this question would mean that you have been able to explain God itself. And God cannot be explained in the end. That means there is no answer to the question "why there is something rather than nothing" imo. If God could be explained, it wouldn't be God. 

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[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

I believe to have an answer to this question would mean that you have been able to explain God itself. And God cannot be explained in the end. That means there is no answer to the question "why there is something rather than nothing" imo. If God could be explained, it wouldn't be God. 

God is easy to explain, it's the absence of limits. Why it's something rather than nothing is because there are not limits and there can't be. The absence of limits is the total potential, and the total potential is the total being, because potential is equal to the realization of that potential, because there are not limits 

[Salvijus]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

God is easy to explain, it's the absence of limits. Why it's something rather than nothing is because there are not limits and there can't be. The absence of limits is the total potential, and the total potential is the total being, because potential is equal to the realization of that potential, because there are not limits 

Does that really explain why God exists? 

[Leo Gura]

46 minutes ago, Staples said:

How do you reconcile these two points? @Leo Gura

If we define logic as something like a system that formalizes distinctions... 

Then how can we say there is no difference between anything?

In order for logic to be reality, then we must assume that some set of distinctions is fundamental to reality, or else there is nothing to use logic on. Logic can't work as a singularity, it's dualistic by nature.

The creation of distinctions has a logic to it. So logic is baked into Creation/Mind.

Even if all distinctions collapse into Unity, that too is according to logic. It is logical that all distinctions are imagined by Mind.

Absolute Unity is a logical state. It is logic reified. If all distinctions are imaginary then logically Unity is the ultimate truth. And so it is. Logic is transcendental, it transcends language, symbol, and thought. Logic is ontology. Logic is the structure of Being. Which is why mathematics and rationality can accomplish scientific work.

Edited April 18 by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Does that really explain why God exists? 

Yes, it's inevitable. If you contemplate it deeply, you understand. The absence of limits is unfathomable, therefore, at some point, some movement has to occur, and that movement, at some point, will be synchronous with another movement, since without being relative to each other, they are nothing; they are the same as non-movement. Since there are no limits, more and more movements synchronize with each other. Since there are no limits, this always happens; it has no origin, since before this origin, it would be "never." And the extension of this relative movement is infinite, because there are no limits, and it is absolutely synchronous with each other down to the smallest nuance, since any asynchrony would result in infinite asynchrony and simply would not appear. Then consciousness is because it'd the perception of the movement, without movement there is no conciousness, nor reality manifested, just potential, but as there are not limit the potential is always manifested.

What is absolutely impossible to comprehend with the human mind is the total infinity eternally manifested, since our mind functions with limits. But it can be understood that this is the case because it is simply inevitable; there is no other possibility.

[gettoefl]

Every grain of sand contains not just the entire universe but the absolute reality.

So how could two things be different?

Ego paints stuff atop them to make them look different.

You are always gazing on absolute reality whether you focus on one thing or everything.

God is trying to get your attention but you prefer to marvel at the surface.

[Someone here]

16 hours ago, integral said:

Imagination = illusion = Real

@integral Sometimes I find words problematic..since any word I use is not another word. 

[integral]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@integral Sometimes I find words problematic..since any word I use is not another word. 

All of language, and most of the words we use are completely corrupt and shaped the way we think about reality.

You have to figure out how to uncorrupt all of these words

[Someone here]

20 minutes ago, integral said:

You have to figure out how to uncorrupt all of these words

No i don't have to. You can keep figuring stuff out forever or you can just realize you are just figuring out more of the same. I chose the latter. 

Nothing is required from your side. You don't have to do it. It's already. You just sit back and watch. Not even.

[Yimpa]

 @Someone here re-read your signature 

[integral]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

No i don't have to. You can keep figuring stuff out forever or you can just realize you are just figuring out more of the same. I chose the latter. 

Nothing is required from your side. You don't have to do it. It's already. You just sit back and watch. Not even.

You engage with me about a conversation about truth. That was the line of thinking, if you have no interest in truth, then sure sit back and watch.

We’re in the context of truth seeking, next time don’t do that lol

but when I use the word “You”, I’m talking about the general insight or idea

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[Someone here]

19 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

 @Someone here re-read your signature 

Actually it's you who needs to read it carefully. It supports my point .

18 minutes ago, integral said:

You engage with me about a conversation about truth. That was the line of thinking, if you have no interest in truth, then sure sit back and watch.

We’re in the context of truth seeking, next time don’t do that lol

but when I use the word “You”, I’m talking about the general insight or idea

Truth as in awakening and understanding reality is nice and all ..but there is a bigger fish to fry .I'm after moksha or liberation .if you think there is an intellectual piece of information that will make everything snap into place one day in the future you are delusional. You can explore the mind forever and there's always more forevers. Instead ..you can just realize that here and now is as good as it gets .and as "true" as it gets .

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[integral]

12 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Actually it's you who needs to read it carefully. It supports my point .

Truth as in awakening and understanding reality is nice and all ..but there is a bigger fish to fry .I'm after moksha or liberation .if you think there is an intellectual piece of information that will make everything snap into place one day in the future you are delusional. You can explore the mind forever and there's always more forevers. Instead ..you can just realize that here and now is as good as it gets .and as "true" as it gets .

Well, this isn’t self torture here lmao, it’s supposed to be enjoyable. Also, it should satisfy curiosity and a love for learning.

If you’re viewing this as a torturous exercise in futility, then of course I would stop right away lmao

A understanding of what is true right now can always grow and expanse. There’s infinite layers, but unlocking the new layer is fun and enjoyable, so I see no reason to stop

[Staples]

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The creation of distinctions has a logic to it. So logic is baked into Creation/Mind.

Even if all distinctions collapse into Unity, that too is according to logic. It is logical that all distinctions are imagined by Mind.

Absolute Unity is a logical state. It is logic reified. If all distinctions are imaginary then logically Unity is the ultimate truth. And so it is. Logic is transcendental, it transcends language, symbol, and thought. Logic is ontology. Logic is the structure of Being. Which is why mathematics and rationality can accomplish scientific work.

Interesting. Sounds like a paradigm of logic transcending consciousness. "Logic transcends thought."

I am curious - do you make a distinction between imaginary and non-imaginary? Is logic non-imaginary? Are logic and distinctions the same thing?

I ask because I cannot make sense of this next to my own insights of distinctions being absolutely fundamental and beyond mind. Distinctions run infinite - and the mind sensemakes those distinctions into reality.

How can absolute unity exist in a reality where distinctions are required?

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[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Staples said:

Interesting. Sounds like a paradigm of logic transcending consciousness.

Nothing transcends Consciousness.

Logic is woven throughout consciousness. It is the structure of consciousness.

1 hour ago, Staples said:

I am curious - do you make a distinction between imaginary and non-imaginary?

No.

You could make that distinction but it would be imaginary.

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Is logic non-imaginary?

Logic is just how things are.

If you imagine a triangle it cannot have 4 sides. That's the logic of triangles.

All imaginary things have a structure and that structure has a logic to it.

Imagination is not just willy-nilly anything goes. If you imagine a cat it must not be a dog.

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Are logic and distinctions the same thing?

Distinctions work in a logical way. There is a logic to distinctions. For example, when you imagine a circle, it must have an inside and an outside. That's the logic of circles. And a circle is a distinction.

The way dualities work is logical.

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How can absolute unity exist in a reality where distinctions are required?

Distinctions are like drawing shapes on a sheet of paper. No matter what shapes you draw, the paper is still one and all the shapes are united by existing on the paper. Drawing does not cut the paper.

Truth is that which unites all things. Truth is the "paper".

Edited April 19 by Leo Gura

[The Crocodile]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you imagine a triangle it cannot have 4 sides. That's the logic of triangles.

All imaginary things have a structure and that structure has a logic to it.

Imagination is not just willy-nilly anything goes. If you imagine a cat it must not be a dog.

I thought you knew this would be wrong by now.

It's possible for Infinity to create a square circle or a four-sided triangle or a cat-dog, humans just wouldn't necessarily be able to perceive it.

[RendHeaven]

1 hour ago, The Crocodile said:

I thought you knew this would be wrong by now.

It's possible for Infinity to create a square circle or a four-sided triangle or a cat-dog, humans just wouldn't necessarily be able to perceive it.

A square-circle is precisely a square-circle, and not a square nor a circle.

A four-sided triangle is precisely a four-sided triangle, and not a triangle.

A cat-dog is precisely a cat-dog, and not a cat nor a dog.

Infinity can bleed identities together, but that doesn't refute the mutually exclusive affinities of partitions within consciousness.

The polarity of discreet things are absolute insofar as they are so.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

I thought you knew this would be wrong by now.

It's possible for Infinity to create a square circle or a four-sided triangle or a cat-dog, humans just wouldn't necessarily be able to perceive it.

You are distracting from the thing I was pointing to.

Edited April 19 by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

Interesting.

Edited April 19 by Nemra