Question about why is there something rather than nothing video

[The Crocodile]

3 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

@Leo Gura If I would die right now, would you still exist? Would anything still exist? Or will the universe die with me?

Solipsism-era Leo would have implied, "no, but actually I'm the person that exists, so yes technically."

Relatively recently he espoused what I consider to be the case that there's a sort of Absolutely Infinite omniverse with infinite iterations and multiplications and negations of infinite multiverses in it, in which case the present moment is actually an infinite number of copies or iterations of the present moment, but are perception is too limited to notice it. Even if you took a static frame of reality with no motion going on and fixed space you would have infinite iterations of that going in infinite directions on infinite planes in infinite interconnected interdisconnected ways. In which case, no, your death does not cause any problems for us, the universe will keep existing, and very likely according to some evidence and some reasoning you would actually survive too.

But right now since we don't really know how that works, we've barely managed to jump over the "solipsism hurdle" and don't know exactly how Infinity selects particular experiences we're stuck with, 'Depends on how you look at it.'

Meaning it seems logical that if Absolute Infinity can create one world it can create infinite, and must create infinite, and there is no contradiction between this and finitudes since it is a false dichotomy made by perception. One single present moment existing does not prove solipsism, does not necessarily contradict Absolutely Infinite worlds since for example the one single present moment can have Absolutely Infinite unperceived copies or otherwise some type of iterative or connective principle with other things.

You can become "Absolutely conscious" that the present moment is not the only thing that exists.

The problem though becomes a questioning this interpretation since we don't know the 'mechanics' of the selection process of collapsing Infinity into limitation, it could be limited, truly limited from the beginning without any requirement whatsoever for recourse to a True Everything-Conceivable Absolute Infinity. An example being solipsism, another example being Last Thursdayism, another example being scientific materialism, etc. Any worldview that may seem too limited and dogmatic for something as claylike and malleable as Consciousness may be correct if you admit that finity could be Absolutely True. When we usually have the Nothingness experience we recontextualize all of our life through that, "OH, my past is being in a field of Nothingness which exists right now."

But there's the selection problem, physical objects need not have a Nothingness to Absolutely connect them to allow them to be in the same reality, they can be themselves Absolutely and Nothingness would be a single view, which may be created/invented by finite evolution and then be made Absolutely rather than discovered.

This leads to the proof problem of how to know if something is true. You could assume Absolutely Infinite realities is true by extension, so space + space + space + space, time + time + time + time, some other principle + some other principles. nothing + nothing + nothing + nothing. If you could add up all the principles conceivable in reality you would get an all-encompassing infinite set of realities which is undefinable.

However I don't think we have fully jumped the hurdle, so we have to satisfy ourselves with 'Depends on how you look at it' for now as far as a certain particular type of certainty is measured.

[Haloman]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You're not grasping that there is no difference between something and nothing. It's an imaginary difference.

So if you accidentally get high voltage electro shock and got crippled for a life - you still experienced nothing? Or was it something?

[Hojo]

@stephenkettley you have nothing behind your eyes all the time. Its always there even in sleep and then you have something in front of you and its never the same. Do the math.both behind your eyes and in front are in the same spot as you aren't looking out your eyes your eyes are bringing light in.

Edited April 17 by Hojo

[Breakingthewall]

There is always something because there are no limits, and the absence of limits is potential for everything, which is equivalent to everything being

[Daniel Balan]

38 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

and very likely according to some evidence and some reasoning you would actually survive too.

What do you mean by that? Is the afterlife real? Or how will I keep existing once it's lights out for me? To me that is not plausible. I've never had the same dream twice when sleeping, meaning that the things I dreamt last night are gone forever. Therefore the human that typed these words will be forever gone once I die. If you say that a being can survive death, then where is my dog now? Does he still see me? I've dreamt him once and it felt so real, I touched him and his smell was the same as when he was alive.. when I woke up I cried like a baby, because for a few moments it really felt like he was still alive. I'll never forget that dream, in a way, it felt more real than the present moment I perceive right now typing this response. 

[The Crocodile]

@Daniel Balan try this https://www.law-of-attraction-haven.com/support-files/seth-speaks-jane-roberts.pdf

[Daniel Balan]

@The Crocodile Could you respond please? I have to go to work tomorrow and I can't read it tonight, yet I'm dying for an answer. Please!

[The Crocodile]

4 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

@The Crocodile Could you respond please? I have to go to work tomorrow and I can't read it tonight, yet I'm dying for an answer. Please!

Okay, basically will continue to remain aware after death for some period of time as it does not have time to "spread out" that quickly once it no longer has the physical body and universe as a container. Then some part of your awareness will reincarnate here again or otherwise go and do something somewhere else.

Edited April 17 by The Crocodile

[Daniel Balan]

@The Crocodile I'd love to reincarnate as a white hyacinth! Or as a bee! 

[Someone here]

@integral what's a thing? AT ALL. 

[integral]

19 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@integral what's a thing? AT ALL. 

Consciousness

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, integral said:

Consciousness

Consciousness is a thing .

what ..is..a..thing ..?

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

Consciousness is a thing .

what ..is..a..thing ..?

[Someone here]

@Yimpa this word is one of the most mysterious words In the English language (Informal) . Why bull shit?  All animals shit. It could've been cow shit dog shit crocodile shit ...

 

[integral]

@Someone here Consciousness is the substance everything is made out of.

Look at your hands and notice how it exists and it’s undeniable, that’s consciousness.

You’re creating separation between everything, you think your hand is separate from your table, but this is an imaginary line you’ve drawn separating the two things

There’s no separation between anything you’re imagining it

That’s one of the reasons everything is nothing and something at the same time

Edited April 17 by integral

[integral]

Definition a “thing”: imagined distinctions within consciousness

Edited April 17 by integral

[Someone here]

@integral

Am I conscious? yes.

What is it that I am aware of? The sound surrounding me. The feelings in the body. The shapes and colors of objects around me.

But what is it that is aware? Can a monitor see itself? Can a sound hear itself? Obviously not. So if there is no separation between anything that means consciousness is an illusion. 

[integral]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

So if there is no separation between anything that means consciousness is an illusion. 

Imagination = illusion = Real

Real and imagination are the same thing

A horse is more imaginary than a unicorn. Because you’re imagining a horse stronger in more detail and vividness (you can touch a horse you can’t touch a unicorn)

Edited April 17 by integral

[yetineti]

3 hours ago, integral said:

A horse is more imaginary than a unicorn. Because you’re imagining a horse stronger in more detail and vividness (you can touch a horse you can’t touch a unicorn)

Me likey this idea

Cool thought

[integral]

48 minutes ago, yetineti said:

Me likey this idea

Cool thought

Thank Leo, it was on his blog

it places imagination as the foundation

And uncorrupts the word real

Edited April 18 by integral