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I Am Transgender

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53 minutes ago, Emerald said:

It doesn't work the same way in the inverse.

Those questions are useless in any order or scenario. If you're to show what I've said is unreasonable, you gotta show some arguments and point out the flaws in logic. Probably if you had understood my position properly you wouldn't even disagree with the statements I was making. 

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13 hours ago, Salvijus said:

I don't think crocodiles are inherently above than any other life. But I believe it's fair to say ducks don't have what it takes to survive in crocodile environment. That's not what a duck is geared for. The point of that analogy was to tell that people should do what they were built to do, rather than try to be what they are not built to be. Not that one role is better than the other. All roles are important. 

The difference between a bird and a crocodile is a few hundred million years of evolution and an entirely different class of animal. 

The difference between male and female? A slight genetic remix — if that. Pretending it's a chasm is false equivalence and hyperbolic.

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I'm going to sleep. I'll respond tomorrow. 

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20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Trans is most likely an issue of genetic neuro-divergence. Seems to be the best explanation of it. Similar to how some people are gay.

For a genetically normal person deciding if you're male of female is so easy it's a non-issue. Like breathing air. There's no confusion or struggle. Just like there's no struggle about who to have sex with.

I think it comes from a higher place than the human mind. But in my case, neurodivergence, ancestral lineage (the memories of our ancestors that are transmitted to us), and my karmic history are at play.

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5 hours ago, martins name said:

 So fascinating. Can you share some insights into the male and female gender roles, having lived as both? What are pros and cons to how people treated you for both genders?

Not much has changed for me, actually. The most striking differences I have noticed so far are that:

- I'm always served last when I'm with women in a restaurant, whereas it was random before. It is weird to me, because I am the exact same person

- Strangers always assume I am with my girlfriend when I am out with a female friend, which is something I have a hard time getting used to. I'd rather have them assume we are just friends, as it feels a bit awkward for me. I've met my friends long before transitioning.

- All of a sudden, I felt like I expressly had to open the door for women and my female friends, and let them go ahead of me in various situations. I used to do it out of politeness, or simply go first if that was how things flowed — but now I feel like I have to let them go, because that's what's expected from men. I like to do things because I want to, and I naturally care for others, but now I feel the pressure of society every time I open a door in a social setting.

- Quite a different story, but it happened to me once that a man, who was a total stranger, used gross sexual or vulgar language in my presence — he was actually talking to me (but not about me). I can't remember what he said, but I was shocked, especially since it happened at the beginning of my transition. I'm confident he wouldn't have said whatever he said if I had been a girl. However, this was a one-time experience.

- I've also noticed that it's now uncomfortable for me to talk to girls my age who are strangers. It used to feel normal, but now I'm concerned about what they'll think my intentions are. It's unsettling.

- The atmosphere is nicer and more relaxed in the female bathrooms.

Other than that, it's quite the same for me, but I'm still in the process of getting used to my new identity. A part of me still tends to think that people will assume I went through a transition, even though they totally can't.

Male and female genders, and gender roles, are still difficult for me to deeply understand. I've technically experienced both, but I’ve never had a typical male or female psyche, so my perspective remains external, like studying the opposite gender — for both.

I have a very hard time to understand how people can feel like a man or a woman, as this isn't part of my reality.

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2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Those questions are useless in any order or scenario. If you're to show what I've said is unreasonable, you gotta show some arguments and point out the flaws in logic. Probably if you had understood my position properly you wouldn't even disagree with the statements I was making. 

These questions are very useful in the sense that they can show you you're projecting beliefs onto reality that aren't actually reflective of something that exists outside of your own mind.

And these questions can illuminate to you the difference between an empirically observed reality and a foundationless belief that only exists in your own mind. 

But I don't bring up flaws in your logic because the issue that I"m pointing out doesn't have to do with flaws in your logic. The problem happens WAY before logic can even be applied.

A person could project a perfectly logical belief onto reality that just isn't reflective of that reality and is based purely in assumption.

Logic just mean "premise (therefore) conclusion"... so is "If this thing is true, then it makes good sense that this other thing would be true."

And my issue is with your assumption of foundationless premises to be reflective of truth... not with your logic or conclusions that are built upon those premises.

If I project onto reality the premise that, "God is made of marshmallows"  then it makes good sense to come to the conclusion "People should avoid eating marshmallows to avoid blaspheming."

Or even "If the world is flat, then it makes good sense that you could sail off the edge of it."

It's a perfectly logical belief as the conclusion makes sense if we assume the premise to be true.

The logic is not flawed. The premise is just made up and untrue.

So, my issue is that you're assuming premises that you're making up in your own mind to be true and stating them as such as though God told you himself that this is the way that reality operates and the way that God thinks.

And my issue is with you assuming your premises to be true when they're just contrivances of your own mind... not that the logic you use is flawed.

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@Emerald Why are you engaging with someone who is pre rational?

Edit: I did too. I just don’t see where it’s going. They’re not engaging honestly, making sense, or being straightforward.

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1 minute ago, yetineti said:

@Emerald Why are you engaging with someone who is pre rational?

Edit: I did too. I just don’t see where it’s going. They’re not engaging honestly, making sense, or being straightforward.

Sharpening the sword


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2 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Emerald Whose sword?

My own


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@Emerald 

You’re smart enough to know that’s not how that happens.

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1 hour ago, yetineti said:

@Emerald 

You’re smart enough to know that’s not how that happens.

The reason why I come to this forum is to debate and spar because that's what this context is mostly geared towards.

So, yes. It helps me sharpen my own sword to push back against misconceptions because I don't have intellectual debates in other contexts.

In other contexts, I mostly ask questions and listen. But in this context, I get to spar.


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18 hours ago, Salvijus said:

You want me to list all the things that are not wise?

Everything that came from ego is not wisdom. Everything that comes from love is wisdom. 

Do you realize that you're acting out of ego and fear?

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8 hours ago, Emerald said:

Sharpening the sword

3 hours ago, Emerald said:

The reason why I come to this forum is to debate and spar because that's what this context is mostly geared towards.

So, yes. It helps me sharpen my own sword to push back against misconceptions because I don't have intellectual debates in other contexts.

In other contexts, I mostly ask questions and listen. But in this context, I get to spar.

I like your attitude. We can be good friends. 


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3 minutes ago, Clarence said:

Do you realize that you're acting out of ego and fear?

Help me see it, if it's so. 


Imagine for a moment, dear friends, that you are Conciousness, and that you have only this one awareness - that you are at peace, and that you are. 

 

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16 hours ago, Emerald said:

These questions are very useful in the sense that they can show you you're projecting beliefs onto reality that aren't actually reflective of something that exists outside of your own mind.

And these questions can illuminate to you the difference between an empirically observed reality and a foundationless belief that only exists in your own mind. 

But I don't bring up flaws in your logic because the issue that I"m pointing out doesn't have to do with flaws in your logic. The problem happens WAY before logic can even be applied.

A person could project a perfectly logical belief onto reality that just isn't reflective of that reality and is based purely in assumption.

Logic just mean "premise (therefore) conclusion"... so is "If this thing is true, then it makes good sense that this other thing would be true."

And my issue is with your assumption of foundationless premises to be reflective of truth... not with your logic or conclusions that are built upon those premises.

If I project onto reality the premise that, "God is made of marshmallows"  then it makes good sense to come to the conclusion "People should avoid eating marshmallows to avoid blaspheming."

Or even "If the world is flat, then it makes good sense that you could sail off the edge of it."

It's a perfectly logical belief as the conclusion makes sense if we assume the premise to be true.

The logic is not flawed. The premise is just made up and untrue.

So, my issue is that you're assuming premises that you're making up in your own mind to be true and stating them as such as though God told you himself that this is the way that reality operates and the way that God thinks.

And my issue is with you assuming your premises to be true when they're just contrivances of your own mind... not that the logic you use is flawed.

Okay... But how do we conclude if the premises are true or not? 

Edited by Salvijus

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10 hours ago, PenguinPablo said:

The difference between a bird and a crocodile is a few hundred million years of evolution and an entirely different class of animal. 

The difference between male and female? A slight genetic remix — if that. Pretending it's a chasm is false equivalence and hyperbolic.

The point is still valid even if you ignore the analogy altogether. 


Imagine for a moment, dear friends, that you are Conciousness, and that you have only this one awareness - that you are at peace, and that you are. 

 

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8 hours ago, yetineti said:

@Emerald Why are you engaging with someone who is pre rational?

Edit: I did too. I just don’t see where it’s going. They’re not engaging honestly, making sense, or being straightforward.

Bruh, not cool. 


Imagine for a moment, dear friends, that you are Conciousness, and that you have only this one awareness - that you are at peace, and that you are. 

 

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31 minutes ago, Clarence said:

Do you realize that you're acting out of ego and fear?

I wouldn't worry where it's coming from. Worry if it makes sense or not instead. 


Imagine for a moment, dear friends, that you are Conciousness, and that you have only this one awareness - that you are at peace, and that you are. 

 

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