I Am Transgender

[Salvijus]

16 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

That was my second point. None of those cases serve me because none justify my existence. It’s just a few observations lending to both internal and external influences creating a wide variety of variation in experiences people have ie: all of the above. Unfortunately for the sake of communication and keeping it short, it can’t go into a comprehensive list so tends to take the stance of one or only a couple of perspectives. 
 

of the cases that people have presented to me in the past for arguments sake, in the de-transitioner camp, the back story of the person suggests a rapid onset of the condition which suggests psychological coping difficulties, ( shutting down to the self, deflecting and adapting to survive emotional pain by changing its character or persona drastically) which is not transgenderism ( which has a history from early to mid childhood of consistent cross gender identification )
 

that’s not implying that other types of cases and scenarios don’t exist ( they do) it’s just a generalisation of what I’ve come across.

what is being said here is that psychological disorder is not the condition in question as the condition in question is known to have a biological basis to it ( that also doesn’t dismiss the external factors that also influence a personas makeup) it’s a complex system. 
 

I cannot allow my bias to get in the way if I am to keep up to date with the ongoing study and understanding. I do have direct experience of the condition so I have a unique opportunity to also be able to look at it from inside the experience. 

That's good, that's good. No objections from me. 🙏

Edited April 17 by Salvijus

[Nemra]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Trans is most likely an issue of genetic neuro-divergence. Seems to be the best explanation of it. Similar to how some people are gay.

@Leo Gura, so, if a person finds it appealing to have some or all characteristics of another sex regardless of whether they are suffering or not, it's because of genetic neuro-divergence?

Edited April 17 by Nemra

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Nemra said:

regardless of whether they are suffering or not, it's because of genetic neuro-divergence?

No. That would be a kind of mind virus.

There are people with legit genetic issues, and then there are people who are just confused with weird ideology and group-think and poorly defined sense of self.

Edited April 17 by Leo Gura

[The Crocodile]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No. That would be a kind of mind virus.

There are people with legit genetic issues, and then there are people who are just confused with weird ideology and group-think and poorly defined sense of self.

In my "direct experience" most guys are not completely straight. Flexible.

[yetineti]

@Salvijus

Salvijus, you speak like someone who’s spent a life time avoiding feeling. You hide behind abstractions and metaphors while someone is sharing the most vulnerable parts of their life.

You think you’re being deep or helpful, but it’s really cold, evasive, and honestly—arrogant.

I’m not angry with you. I just want to know—have you ever really sat with someone in pain, without trying to fix them or reframe it through your philosophy?

Because all this talk of fire and water is just a shield. It keeps you from having to actually feel anything.

If you think that’s spiritual maturity, it’s not. Presence is felt. Not performed.

Stop performing— and ask for help. You clearly need it.

If you’re strong enough to dance around a topic like you have, I can only imagine what you’ve been through yourself.

Take care. Don’t be afraid to ask for help.

But leave these people alone.

 

Edited April 17 by yetineti

[martins name]

 So fascinating. Can you share some insights into the male and female gender roles, having lived as both? What are pros and cons to how people treated you for both genders?

[Nemra]

43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There are people with legit genetic issues, and then there are people who are just confused with weird ideology and group-think and poorly defined sense of self.

@Leo Gura, I didn't get the last part for that case.

It seems to me that you are saying that suffering is necessary to determine whether it's legit or not.

Edited April 17 by Nemra

[Leo Gura]

@Nemra I said nothing about suffering.

[The Crocodile]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Nemra I said nothing about suffering.

If you go trans you can be Leia. Like Princess Leia.

[Salvijus]

53 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Salvijus

Salvijus, you speak like someone who’s spent a life time avoiding feeling. You hide behind abstractions and metaphors while someone is sharing the most vulnerable parts of their life.

You think you’re being deep or helpful, but it’s really cold, evasive, and honestly—arrogant.

I’m not angry with you. I just want to know—have you ever really sat with someone in pain, without trying to fix them or reframe it through your philosophy?

Because all this talk of fire and water is just a shield. It keeps you from having to actually feel anything.

If you think that’s spiritual maturity, it’s not. Presence is felt. Not performed.

Stop performing— and ask for help. You clearly need it.

If you’re strong enough to dance around a topic like you have, I can only imagine what you’ve been through yourself.

Take care. Don’t be afraid to ask for help.

But leave these people alone.

 

Ok, thank you. Tcare too

[ExploringReality]

The last part Leo mentioned is about having a confused, weak and distorted self image. Or when the mind is radicalized with a belief system and is indoctrinated with group-think. 

[Emerald]

12 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Who said I'm wrong? God? Or your own mind? 

It doesn't work the same way in the inverse.

If I say "God thinks we should all paint ourselves blue and dance around on Fridays.

And then people ask "Is that God who thinks that? Or is that just you?"

Then I answer, "Who said I'm wrong? God? Or your own mind?"

I hope that makes it clear that it doesn't lend any credence at all to my own idea that God wants us to paint ourselves blue and dance around on Fridays.

The burden of proof that God thinks that is on you. And if you're honest with yourself, you'll see that your notion that God allows everything to change in appearance but not in terms of other things is just a notion you made up in your own mind... no better or more rooted in the truth of what God thinks than the "paint yourself blue on Fridays" ideas.

[Emerald]

22 hours ago, ExploringReality said:

@Emerald you go girl!! just when things were getting messy I love how you come with a broom of logic to sweep this fool of the floor and clean the confusion with a clean mop of question's.

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

No. That would be a kind of mind virus.

There are people with legit genetic issues, and then there are people who are just confused with weird ideology and group-think and poorly defined sense of self.

There's a lot of assumption in this.

You seem to view being trans either purely as a genetic issue or as ideological group think.

But you have no solid evidence that either of these interpretations is true or false.

It's not like they test trans people for genetic issues to determine if their gender dysphoria is "real" or "fake".

Can you not see any other possibilities beyond those two options?

Here's a thought-provoking video by Contrapoints about this very topic where she plays a "trans-trender" and another more conservative trans person who sees it only as a genetic disorder who judges the "trans-trender"....

 

[The Crocodile]

Actually I think the most recent Contra video would interest Leo more because it's right up his alley when it comes to conspiracy theories and epistemic corruption and stuff. I was planning on sharing this with him but forgot.

Edited April 17 by The Crocodile

[Nemra]

20 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

The last part Leo mentioned is about having a confused, weak and distorted self image.

How are you confused if you know what you find appealing to have by looking at another sex?

22 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

Or when the mind is radicalized with a belief system and is indoctrinated with group-think. 

I also think that those things can have a huge influence.

[MarkKol]

On 15/04/2025 at 9:31 PM, Clarence said:

I am transgender.

Hello Transgender, I'm Marko.

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I said nothing about suffering.

@Leo Gura, sorry, I misinterpreted then.

Edited April 17 by Nemra

[Salvijus]

34 minutes ago, Emerald said:

And if you're honest with yourself, you'll see that your notion that God allows everything to change in appearance but not in terms of other things is just a notion you made up

I never said the second part. You've misread my position same way you misread my duck analogy. 

Edited April 17 by Salvijus

[Willie]

1 hour ago, The Crocodile said:

If you go trans you can be Leia. Like Princess Leia.

No side buns though, please @Leo Gura