What can we do to stop the far right?

[Daniel Balan]

The right emerges when the centre and the left are fighting with eachother. Also when the centre or the left focus too much on bullshit like pronouns or gender identity or LGBTQ. As a blue collar worker it infuriates me greatly when I see the left wing politicians bitch and moan about gay rights when I barely have money to afford food and pay bills. Instead of focusing on how to help the poor and the exploited they defend trans people. This in turn makes the workers resent the rulling left for focusing on bullshit instead of offering help to not be milked to death by the oligarcs!

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

In China, they actually have a system like this where all politicians have to pass a civil service exam to serve in the government. It began in the imperial era.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination

I know. That's where I got the idea.

[Jacob Morres]

On 4/15/2025 at 1:42 PM, PurpleTree said:

I don’t know but some say in the US for example the Democrats need to win back the working class with policies that really help the working class.

And less identity politics.

The right plays identity politics though. Elon musks twitter feed has a ton of propoganda about how white people are oppressed. 

Like right wing is pro white, straight and pro men. Id be okay with that but it also veers into anti immigrant and anti minority, anti lgtbq and anti women 

But that's just the nature of right wingers right? If they were pro the latter stuff they wouldn't be right wing

Edited Tuesday at 08:33 PM by Jacob Morres

[Husseinisdoingfine]

 

 

 

This is precisely why you don't see incompetent buffoons such as Marjorie Taylor Greene or Lauren Boebert serving in high levels of government in China. Even to rise to higher levels of the government, politicians first have to service at the lower level and are evaluated on performance.

" The current ranking system has 27 different ranks (from previously of total 15 levels) and a grade (dangci) system within each rank (at most 14 grades for each rank) to reflect seniority and performance; "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_service_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China

 

[Nivsch]

Gather Democrat politicians together and declare that we acknowledge and are willing to discuss with Republicans the things we see as important for both parties, and put more emphasis on the common ground. In this way you can soften far right positions and create fewer 'free radicals' in society from both sides. You can't expect far right to soften if you can't do it yourself.

Edited Tuesday at 03:19 PM by Nivsch

[Aaron p]

In warfare and instances of societal conflict it's observed that if one political side starts to advance too quickly or become too loose...it can provoke a resistance and insurrection. Central issues like gender issues and limitless people getting "offended" at something someone does or says or because they looked in a certain direction...this is what has provoked a lot of idiots on the right to support extremist far right political figures like the donald. 

Political correctness, offense, gender identity...when these things go too far or become too unquestioned, people like trump show up. What's difficult as well is the fact that many leftists will refuse to hear this and react and recoil even more and get 100x more offended and try report on trump more in the media and destroy him...but it is this very resistance that will strengthen and prolong his control. 

Trump must be removed by intelligence and consciousness, not resorting to emotional chaos and calling all of the right predators. What I can see of the American people is that they see these attacks as all the more reason to form an uprising against what they see as corruption..

Edited Tuesday at 05:40 PM by Aaron p

[Lyubov]

I think most citizens will have to feel the effects of far right policy before they take any action. People in general are just too stupid and voting off the vibes. They need to feel the economic hardships from a dystopian free market before they act. 

[Breathe]

3 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

This is precisely why you don't see incompetent buffoons such as Marjorie Taylor Greene or Lauren Boebert serving in high levels of government in China. Even to rise to higher levels of the government, politicians first have to service at the lower level and are evaluated on performance.

" The current ranking system has 27 different ranks (from previously of total 15 levels) and a grade (dangci) system within each rank (at most 14 grades for each rank) to reflect seniority and performance; "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_service_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China

 

I am not an expert on China, but I know enough about them and am impressed by how they built themselves up to the nation they are now.

I know they have their own problems, corruption, racism, etc. If we weren't so corrupt in the US, we should take note on how China does things to build our country back up.

 

13 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I think most citizens will have to feel the effects of far right policy before they take any action. People in general are just too stupid and voting off the vibes. They need to feel the economic hardships from a dystopian free market before they act. 

I agree. Sadly, I think what's happening now is necessary. I just hope that I'll get to see some change in my lifetime.

It is very difficult to uproot a authoritarianism once it's taken hold.

[Sempiternity]

What'd we do when human rights and freedoms were being threatened and corruption and evil threatening the good of the world in WW1, and then in WW2? In the Civil war, you had half the country that wanted human slaves, what'd we do in that situation? There's no talking it out, there is no middle ground to reach, there is no diplomacy, there is no voting it out. You destroy it till it's no longer a threat to everyone. That's the thing people are not talking about as a solution. MAGA is not going to give up power. They've set up the laws to favor them, and those laws cannot be changed (unless there's 2/3 of the Senate to make new laws eliminating corruption, which will never ever happen). Only way out of this is by force. Remove them all and start over with a new Constitution that is uncorruptible. If the other half of the country does not like it and it starts another Civil War, then so be it. Thier evil was crushed before, and it will again. The system is so far broken, this is the only way out, IMO. 

[Nivsch]

@Sempiternity When in emergency there is a place for vigorous actions but I think this isn't the case today.

Edited Tuesday at 10:10 PM by Nivsch

[Sempiternity]

17 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Sempiternity When in emergency there is a place for vigorous actions but I think this isn't the case today.

No, not today. We are at the beginning of the atrocities they have planned. The two questions are, how far are they going to push things, and if they do how far are we willing to go to stop them. 

[Emerald]

10 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

The right emerges when the centre and the left are fighting with eachother. Also when the centre or the left focus too much on bullshit like pronouns or gender identity or LGBTQ. As a blue collar worker it infuriates me greatly when I see the left wing politicians bitch and moan about gay rights when I barely have money to afford food and pay bills. Instead of focusing on how to help the poor and the exploited they defend trans people. This in turn makes the workers resent the rulling left for focusing on bullshit instead of offering help to not be milked to death by the oligarcs!

The issue is that people who have prejudices against gay people, trans people, racial minorities, ethnic minorities, religious minorities, etc. are easily weaponized to divide the working class.

And those straight working class white males will easily have their ire turned away from the powerful and towards these scapegoat groups... to divide the working class populace so that there's infighting instead of a united front.

So, while you might see a focus towards gay rights or trans rights as being the thing that divides the left and the working class... it is actually the prejudice against gay and trans people (and religious and ethnic minorities) that does that.

You can't have transphobia in your working class movement any more than you can have gender equality in your ethnostate.

If you want some elements of the far right (like rejection of the focus toward gay and trans people), you take everything that comes with it.

So, if you don't want authoritarianism, you have to learn to accept people's differences.

And if you reject people differences, the more you usher in Fascism. 

Gay and trans people exist. It's not an ideology... it's a fact of the world.

Just deal with that fact... and don't be the weak link that divides the working classes with foolish prejudices and infighting... as that only plays into the hands of the powerful. 

Edited Tuesday at 10:38 PM by Emerald

[Sempiternity]

@Emerald  Well said!

[Emerald]

Just now, Sempiternity said:

@Emerald  Well said!

Thank you

[Peter Zemskov]

9 hours ago, Lyubov said:

I think most citizens will have to feel the effects of far right policy before they take any action. People in general are just too stupid and voting off the vibes. They need to feel the economic hardships from a dystopian free market before they act. 

I think you're right. Realistically people won't understand the sheer scale of what they got themselves into with the far right until they feel it on their own skin. But still, I think there needs to be some kind of alternative to the current system that we can present to them. Because ultimately Trump is just a symptom that the current system isn't working. Hardship caused by Trump and his administration isn't gonna be enough (even though I agree it's a necessary condition), we need new ideas

[Peter Zemskov]

15 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

The right emerges when the centre and the left are fighting with eachother. Also when the centre or the left focus too much on bullshit like pronouns or gender identity or LGBTQ. As a blue collar worker it infuriates me greatly when I see the left wing politicians bitch and moan about gay rights when I barely have money to afford food and pay bills. Instead of focusing on how to help the poor and the exploited they defend trans people. This in turn makes the workers resent the rulling left for focusing on bullshit instead of offering help to not be milked to death by the oligarcs!

Yh, I think that's quite on point. This woke stuff ends up discrediting real social justice concerns that it's trying to defend

[Peter Zemskov]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Require all political candidates to pass a basic history, geography, and political science exam.

So the solution you're proposing is basically more education? I think that just making politicians pass an exam won't do it, we need a massive education system reform to make people more intelligent. Democracy just can't function with such a dumb population 

[Peter Zemskov]

6 hours ago, Sempiternity said:

What'd we do when human rights and freedoms were being threatened and corruption and evil threatening the good of the world in WW1, and then in WW2? In the Civil war, you had half the country that wanted human slaves, what'd we do in that situation? There's no talking it out, there is no middle ground to reach, there is no diplomacy, there is no voting it out. You destroy it till it's no longer a threat to everyone. That's the thing people are not talking about as a solution. MAGA is not going to give up power. They've set up the laws to favor them, and those laws cannot be changed (unless there's 2/3 of the Senate to make new laws eliminating corruption, which will never ever happen). Only way out of this is by force. Remove them all and start over with a new Constitution that is uncorruptible. If the other half of the country does not like it and it starts another Civil War, then so be it. Thier evil was crushed before, and it will again. The system is so far broken, this is the only way out, IMO. 

In the end it's quite likely that the US is gonna end in a civil war of some sort where it will just be fought out. But that doesn't really address the root issue. These Trump voters are reacting to objective social problems that are a product of the liberal democratic system. Even if you manage to win the civil war and restore the current system the core issues will still be there and eventually the cycle is just gonna repeat itself. We need some structural societal change to fix those core issues

[Peter Zemskov]

17 hours ago, Breathe said:

In the US, that's what the constitution was supposed to do. However, democracy is fragile, and corruption is rampant and sneaky.

 

You already named a few factors that made Trump's election possible, but I think the biggest problems we need to address and weed out corruption is:

 

• Forbid corporate money in politics
• Donor transparency in elections (foreign influence)
• Poorly educated citizens
• Disinformation and fear mongering
• Voter suppression
• Lack of term limits in congress and the judiciary system
• Lack of background checks and ongoing monitoring of public servants
• Insider trading
• Tolerance for racism and sexism
• No separation of church and state

 

In the US what we need is to revise the constitution and weed out corruption. We can't do a damn thing until this happens.

Trump is not the problem. It's the system.

This was a well-planned and executed strategy that's played out for many years. Russia played a huge role in Trump's win in both his first and second terms. We are talking about a multi-national conspiracy that was investigated but no-one was held accountable.

How in the fuck do we fix that?

We knew it happened, but nothing came of it.

Then we had the Jan 6 coup attempt. Nada. No accountability, once again.

What frustrates me the most is that many things that can be done in order to prevent the rise of the far right are pretty obvious but they're still for some reason not being done. It seems like centrist parties both in the US and in Europe just can't get shit done even though they say the correct things. The political system is so inert

[Breathe]

@Peter Zemskov Do you live in the US or Europe?

I don't know a whole lot about the political structures of most European countries but I do know that fascism is on the rise everywhere.

I'm currently reading a book called "How Fascism Works" that was recommended to me by one of my activist friends. I'd highly recommend it.

Also check out Hiding in Plain Sight and They Knew by Sarah Kendzior. There is corruption on both sides which is a big part of the problem that we see. The dems don't want to be too loud because they don't want to be found out. They are all guilty.

Sarah refers to the US as a multi-national crime syndicate and sometimes as a mafia state. I think those are very accurate terms for what we are dealing with here.

Trump's history is extremely corrupt. Once you trace his connections to Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Jeffrey Epstein, the Russian mob, and beyond it makes more sense. These are some extremely fucked up people.Rapists, pedophiles, mobsters, money launderers, etc. We're talking blackmail, threats, payoffs and more. Just dig into the people who lived in Trump Tower.

As for the political system being inert, I just think that's a symptom of people being so fucking divided on every fucking issue. We need checks and balances, but for fuck's sake there has to be some common ground.

That'll never happen until we root out corruption. <--- I think this is something we can use to unite the people.

What I learned from all of this is that democracy is extremely fragile. People just don't know that. It's something that we have to fight for to maintain.