Corruption Mega-Thread

[integral]

This is inspired by Leo's latest blog post

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Make no mistake about it: conservatism is the justification of corruption and lower development. It always has been. Always. This sounds so biased and unfair, but that's just how the cookie crumbles.

However, this is not the same as to say that conservatism is always wrong. There are many cases where mankind is just so corrupt that higher development is impossible. So I am not simplistically saying that conservatism is wrong. I'm saying something advanced and non-partisan. And this does not mean liberals are free from corruption or that they are simplistically "the good guys".

The reason it works this way is because humanity has no recognition of how corrupt it is. Humanity underestimates its own corruption by a factor of at least 100x. The corruption is so profound that it is impossible for humanity to fix itself. Ironically, this means that corrupt policies and ways are actually important, necessary, useful, and "right" — because we have to be realistic about our situation. Progressives counter-intuitively go wrong in that they underestimate how corrupt mankind is and the need for policies that realistically manage this corruption.

For example, progressives underestimate how racist humans are, so they naively advocate for stuff like endless immigration, not understanding that this will create serious backlash and regression precisely because most human beings are racist and do not want to live alongside immigrants. It's funny because progressives are portrayed as calling their opponents racists too much, but in fact progressives underestimate the prevalence and appeal of racism. So ironically, conservatives are right on this issue — not because conservatives are better or morally superior — but because conservative immigration policy aligns more realistically with the corrupt state of mankind: that most humans are racist. Conservatives are right precisely because they are morally inferior and mankind is too morally degenerate to act any better. This is why communism failed. This is why environmentalism fails. This is why Israel-Palestine fails. This is why immigration fails. This is why demilitarization fails. This is why veganism fails. This is why drug decriminalization fails. This is why defunding the police fails. This is why the UN fails. This is why world peace fails. This is why free love fails. This is why the hippies failed. This is why guys like Trump, Putin, Xi, Orban, Erdogan, Netanyahu, etc. rule the world.

Conservatism is so successful and popular because mankind is corrupt to the bone. Mankind is way more evil than it admits to itself. Mankind is so hopelessly corrupt that progressives constantly fail. This is not a demonization of conservatives nor a glorification of leftists, this is the most accurate model of mankind, which has the most predictive power. If you do not understand this, you will keep failing in your political predictions and your activism.

You must understand the beast you are wrestling with or it will gore you. Leftists regard mankind as cute puppy when it is more like a demonic rhinoceros.

We who wrestle with demonic rhinocerii.

True and healthy conservatism comes when you understand that mankind, especially in groups, behave like deluded demons. This is not an ideology, this is insight born from deep experience, contemplation, and God-Consciousness. Stop underestimating corruption.

 

[integral]

Technological advancement and material progress continue despite moral stagnation because they harness mankind's corruption rather than trying to overcome it. This works precisely because technology doesn't require moral improvement—it requires greed, competition, nationalism, fear, and status-seeking. Mankind builds iPhones and nuclear weapons with the same corrupt heart. The corruption is so profound that our greatest innovations emerge from war departments and profit-obsessed corporations. Progressives counter-intuitively go wrong in believing technology will save us morally, not understanding that technology itself is morally neutral at best and actively amplifies our corruption at worst. It's funny because progressives are portrayed as technological optimists, but in fact they underestimate how technology strengthens mankind's corrupt impulses while appearing to advance civilization. Our shiny gadgets mask our rotting souls. -Claude Assisted

Edited Monday at 11:41 PM by integral

[integral]

Idealism itself becomes corrupt: The historical pattern of idealistic revolutions that ultimately fail or become corrupted is the most damning evidence supporting our thesis. Make no mistake about it: every revolution in human history eventually corrupts itself. Always. The French Revolution beheaded aristocrats only to crown Napoleon. The Russian Revolution overthrew the Tsar only to install Stalin. The Iranian Revolution toppled the Shah only to elevate the Ayatollahs. This sounds so biased and unfair, but that's just how the cookie crumbles. Mankind's corruption is so profound that even the most idealistic revolutionaries become the very monsters they sought to destroy. The corruption is inscribed into our souls. Che Guevara's face on t-shirts while his revolution rots from within. Mao's portrait watching over a hyper-capitalist China. This is not simplistically saying revolution is wrong—I'm saying something advanced and non-partisan. The corruption is so profound that idealism itself becomes weaponized, becomes the very vehicle of further corruption. -Claude Assisted

Edited Monday at 11:43 PM by integral

[integral]

Redirect the river of corruption instead of trying to stop it.

Working with corruption instead of fighting it is actually the smarter move. Here's why:

People are more corrupt than we admit. This is just reality. Fighting against this directly usually fails.

Instead, smart people can:

• Build businesses that work within corrupt systems
• Make money from these businesses
• Then use that money for good things that raise consciousness

For example:

1. You could start an online gambling business. People will gamble anyway.
2. Run it more ethically than others would
3. Make lots of money from human addiction and weakness
4. Use those profits to fund better education, spiritual growth, or community programs

This is like redirecting a river instead of trying to stop it. The corruption is the river. You don't fight the river - you build channels that direct it where you want it to go.

The idealists who refuse to touch "dirty industries" end up with no money and no power to change anything. Meanwhile, the most corrupt people run everything.

This isn't about being corrupt yourself. It's about being smart enough to work with reality as it is - people are selfish, addicted, and corrupt - and use that reality to fund something better.

Mankind is way more evil than it admits. Stop pretending otherwise. This is why people like Trump win while idealists fail. The corruption is so profound that only by working within it can you actually change anything.

This is advanced thinking, not naive idealism. Stop fighting the demonic rhinoceros and learn to redirect it instead.

@Leo Gura what do you think of this idea specifically?

Edited Monday at 11:47 PM by integral

[Rafael Thundercat]

Here we See Carl Benjamin Lamenting the Corruption of a city in UK ,but not being able so answer the complex "Why" that deterioration occurs. The commentor try to bring some nuance to the video. 

Even something non biological as a city can corrupt. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

Someone explain to me if Neoliberalism is not corruption. 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

In the same vein of Neoliberalism above here is a knack of what was going on in Portugal Economic Social life. 

Now with the problems Rising in America I hear many Americans in Social Media considering moving to Portugal. Please share the Truth to them. Appart of some nice projects happening in the rural areas, truth is that Portugal is in decline. Desertification ahead with Global Warming, Gentrification, Lack of Young People.. 

 

[LordFall]

26 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Someone explain to me if Neoliberalism is not corruption. 

 

What are the main points of that video? I think Neoliberalism had its time but it's now become inefficient and over-gloated.