Holy Shit, I'm Terrified of Death

[Oppositionless]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

Why fear death? I get if someone is afraid of hell, because that would be scary asf, or some bad reincarnation (that has been my fear as a child), but void, nothingness, everlasting sleep, why would that be scary? Think about it, is it ever scary to fall asleep? No , then death (if it’s like that) won’t be scary. If you believe in reincarnation then that could even be positive, so the things you miss in this life might happen in your next life? Yay . lol just some thoughts. 

That's actually a really good point. Nonexistence would, in  certain sense , be a lot better than life. 
I think I had a subtle belief that there would be an experience of nothingness, kinda like being in a k hole for eternity. But true nothingness wouldn't entail an experiencer.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

That's actually a really good point. Nonexistence would, in  certain sense , be a lot better than life. 
I think I had a subtle belief that there would be an experience of nothingness, kinda like being in a k hole for eternity. But true nothingness wouldn't entail an experiencer.

If you have the potential for the form, as you can see, then the form will arise. Let's dance and dance and dance....but I think that the totality, even it's limitless, it's infinitely intelligent, then it always search the best way possible in the infinite tides of the totality that flows eternally. Sounds like a joke, but we are in that mess.

[Aaron p]

6 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

That's actually a really good point. Nonexistence would, in  certain sense , be a lot better than life.

Yeah but this existence is pretty cool. I like the colours that's one of my favourite things

[Oppositionless]

30 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

Yeah but this existence is pretty cool. I like the colours that's one of my favourite things

My life has been suffering but I feel like that's about to change. I'm moving to Oregon  from the Bible Belt . I'm focusing on spirituality again, after a long time obsessed with pickup .

Edited Monday at 08:58 PM by Oppositionless

[Sugarcoat]

17 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, maybe but then let's dance 

this shit is the problem. The reality is not a kindergarten.

😹

[Sugarcoat]

17 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

That's actually a really good point. Nonexistence would, in  certain sense , be a lot better than life. 
I think I had a subtle belief that there would be an experience of nothingness, kinda like being in a k hole for eternity. But true nothingness wouldn't entail an experiencer.

Exactly 

[Sugarcoat]

17 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The no self person is who has realized the illusion of the self with the mind but has not opened his mind and his heart to the unlimited, realizing then that he is that

 

When you say “with the mind” do you mean it’s only a intellectual realization for them?

This reminds me of when I heard Rupert Spira say something along the lines of there being two steps to awakening. First you awaken to nothing/awareness, but it’s still separate from everything, then realization that awareness isn’t separate from everything so it merges with everything. Sounds a little like what you’re saying

Edited Tuesday at 02:14 PM by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

When you say “with the mind” do you mean it’s only a intellectual realization for them?

This reminds me of when I heard Rupert Spira say something along the lines of there being two steps to awakening. First you awaken to nothing/awareness, but it’s still separate from everything, then realization that awareness isn’t separate from everything so it merges with everything. Sounds a little like what you’re saying

Beyond the mind. You can realize the illusion of the self in deep meditation, and then you're left with the idea that this is enlightenment, or like Spira, realizing that consciousness is absolute and that you are consciousness and all that. And then, for you, reality is consciousness. But I think it's obvious that something's missing here, right? The real and definitive opening is missing. Reality is consciousness. Oh yeah, so why are there trees, planets, etc.? Reality isn't that; it's total potential, also known as the absence of limits.

This is a revelation that goes beyond consciousness or nothingness. It's what you are, the essence of reality. It's something you were closed to by the nature of this dimension of reality, but it opens up when you make the right move, which basically consists of breaking all limits: those of the mind and those of the heart. "Heart" sounds very wo wo, but it means to completely let go of fear. I'd say Spira is afraid. I can smell your fear, Rupert. You go around and around in your nothingness/consciousness but you don't make the definitive move😬

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Beyond the mind. You can realize the illusion of the self in deep meditation, and then you're left with the idea that this is enlightenment, or like Spira, realizing that consciousness is absolute and that you are consciousness and all that. And then, for you, reality is consciousness. But I think it's obvious that something's missing here, right? The real and definitive opening is missing. Reality is consciousness. Oh yeah, so why are there trees, planets, etc.? Reality isn't that; it's total potential, also known as the absence of limits.

This is a revelation that goes beyond consciousness or nothingness. It's what you are, the essence of reality. It's something you were closed to by the nature of this dimension of reality, but it opens up when you make the right move, which basically consists of breaking all limits: those of the mind and those of the heart. "Heart" sounds very wo wo, but it means to completely let go of fear. I'd say Spira is afraid. I can smell your fear, Rupert. You go around and around in your nothingness/consciousness but you don't make the definitive move😬

Because realizing you’re consciousness is still a limit becuase then it’s you (consciousness) and the rest or? But that seems like a major first step at least

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Because realizing you’re consciousness is still a limit becuase then it’s you (consciousness) and the rest or? But that seems like a major first step at least

I m not sure about what means exactly consciousness....I mean, it means I'm aware of things, right? Like sight, hearing, the fact that I'm alive, my thoughts, etc. But really, if you look at it from a broader perspective, consciousness is an appearance that occurs in this experience. That is, this experience isn't conscious of itself; it simply is. Being conscious doesn't mean anything. It's something like... I'm conscious, because otherwise I'd be unconscious. But when are you unconscious? Never. Consciousness is an appearance that occurs in reality, the same as the self. It means absolutely nothing because it hasn't opposite but same time it's something definite that point to a subject and an object 

But realizing that what you really are is existence is not enlightenment, because it's still mental, it's still in the land of the deductions kinda: I'm the existence, not the individual who can die. The real thing is what existence is in its essence, the limitless that is, or the infinite being, or the total potential, or the absolute depth to say something that could point to the real thing 

 Conciousness is let's say just a small concept, not a word that points to the reality 

Edited Tuesday at 07:38 PM by Breakingthewall

[Yimpa]

On 4/21/2025 at 3:12 PM, Sugarcoat said:

A new species of homo sapien has been discovered! The no self people!!!

 

[Inliytened1]

On 4/17/2025 at 11:35 PM, Oppositionless said:

I'm more afraid of being memory wiped than anything else . That just doesn't sound fun. When I'm dead I don't care no more.

I think fear of death is really just a sign that something is wrong with the way I'm living.

That's valid.  You're attached to your current identity.  And it can be scary to think about.  But think about it..you don't remember anyway if you were to take another form.  So there really is nothing to fear.   But fear itself.  Who said that ? 😀  maybe forgetting is a feature not a bug..who said that? I forget 😀

[JoshB]

On 4/13/2025 at 8:04 PM, Oppositionless said:

I've been doing Survival, not Spitituality. My entire journey up until this point has been to live forever. That's all I've ever wanted , to be eternally. Now I need to deconstruct that by dying. I must die. I absolutely must die . Pure nothingness . My entire life up until this point has been pure ego, pure selfishness, and pure delusion. I absolutely must die asap.

 

this is my dilemma 

a lifetime of misery 

Or

this me dies and I actually start living in a way that isn't deluded .

I need to find a way out of this cycle .

There is NO death 

That's the chief delusion right there 

There also isn't a self, so who would there even be to die 

[Oppositionless]

13 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's valid.  You're attached to your current identity.  And it can be scary to think about.  But think about it..you don't remember anyway if you were to take another form.  So there really is nothing to fear.   But fear itself.  Who said that ? 😀  maybe forgetting is a feature not a bug..who said that? I forget 😀

Yeah . But Sugarcoat made a point that made me re-evaluate a bit.

The part I forgot and left out was, my thinking was influenced by Bernardo Kastrup . In an interview he was asked about the afterlife and he compared it to being a total amnesiac in a sensory deprivation tank. That to me would be what I wouldn't want. An experience of nothing for eternity rather than simply not existing .

 

Edited Wednesday at 05:56 PM by Oppositionless

[Oppositionless]

12 hours ago, JoshB said:

There is NO death 

That's the chief delusion right there 

There also isn't a self, so who would there even be to die 

That's what everyone on this forum says but how many have actually realized? Seems like a lot of us just parrot Leo without actually becoming conscious.

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-04-22 at 9:33 PM, Breakingthewall said:

I m not sure about what means exactly consciousness....I mean, it means I'm aware of things, right? Like sight, hearing, the fact that I'm alive, my thoughts, etc.

That’s how I use the word at least but some use it to describe the entire reality. To me consciousness is duality.

On 2025-04-22 at 9:33 PM, Breakingthewall said:

But really, if you look at it from a broader perspective, consciousness is an appearance that occurs in this experience. That is, this experience isn't conscious of itself; it simply is. Being conscious doesn't mean anything. It's something like... I'm conscious, because otherwise I'd be unconscious. But when are you unconscious? Never. Consciousness is an appearance that occurs in reality, the same as the self. It means absolutely nothing because it hasn't opposite but same time it's something definite that point to a subject and an object 

But realizing that what you really are is existence is not enlightenment, because it's still mental, it's still in the land of the deductions kinda: I'm the existence, not the individual who can die. The real thing is what existence is in its essence, the limitless that is, or the infinite being, or the total potential, or the absolute depth to say something that could point to the real thing 

 Conciousness is let's say just a small concept, not a word that points to the reality 

I’d agree