Why People Suffer on the Spiritual Path!

[Ishanga]

When Your going for Realization of a Higher Potential in Your Life, You have to drop the One You have now, this is very difficult to do for Human Beings, we are not simple creatures or aspects of Life, we are complex, there is more into just Survival for a Human Being than most other life forms, as we are weaker and more vulnerable than other life forms, we need more Intelligence to just Survive, but just Surviving for a Human Life is Tragic, we can live way beyond Survival Mode, so lots of Conditioning or Karma is at play in a Human Being, when You go on the Spiritual path which is the path of Realizing Your Potential, Your Karma is going to be played out much Quicker than normal, what would have taken years to process may be processed in a month, so our Experience of Things is way more Intense when going for Our Potential!

This is why, Accepting Now, Living Now, Responding to Now is the basis of a Healthy Spiritual Path, if You Master these three things, then the Suffering is way less, You won't reach Your True Potential and be intouch with Truth if Your Suffering in any Way, its not possible!!

 

[Someone here]

46 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

You won't reach Your True Potential and be intouch with Truth if Your Suffering in any Way, its not possible!!

Not true . Do you realize that suffering is the catalyst for people seeking spirituality and truth ? If everything is going well in your life why should you care about freedom from suffering or enlightenment?  It's precisely because suffering exists that spirituality exists .

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

It's precisely because suffering exists that spirituality exists .

And why does Religion exist.

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

And why does Religion exist.

Because simple-minded people need to hear superstitions to fall asleep to . There was no ASMR thousands of years ago .

[Princess Arabia]

58 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

This is why, Accepting Now, Living Now, Responding to Now is the basis of a Healthy Spiritual Path, if You Master these three things, then the Suffering is way less,

They'll just be suffering NOW. Nothing is ever done "not in the now". There's no now to master. Now is all there is. Unacceptance is also done now. Living is always in the now, responding is always in the now. Let me see you live yesterday and respond yesterday to something that's happening now.

Edited April 13 by Princess Arabia

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Not true . Do you realize that suffering is the catalyst for people seeking spirituality and truth ? If everything is going well in your life why should you care about freedom from suffering or enlightenment?  It's precisely because suffering exists that spirituality exists .

One can go the suffering route and it maybe makes one want to change and try Spiritual practices, but it is a very very dangerous route and I would say in my experience and understanding in this day and age most ppl do not get to higher Potential in life via Suffering, and if You are at a higher potential in life already Suffering becomes less possible, if You suffer in any way, other than a physical injury or disease which I would say is more pain related than Suffering there is a difference, then You are less intouch with Truth and higher Potential, is just not possible...

For ppl with "good" things happening in their life, things are going along well, health and finances are good, family is good, then what happens is they strive for more, that is the Desiring Process, You always want to be more than what You are right now.. Via this method it is a much safer method, first You establish Peace, Balance, Harmony, Your stable in all areas then  You can go for more Potential to come into Your Life, and be good with it. not go backwards steps and such...

 

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

They'll just be suffering NOW. Nothing is ever done "not in the now". There's no now to master. Now is all there is. Unacceptance is also done now. Living is always in the now, responding is always in the now. Let me see you live yesterday and respond yesterday to something that's happening now.

This is True, but ppl are living where life is not found, in their minds, past via memory, future via imagination, which to them seems real, if it seems real to them in their experience then in essence it is real, so these things have to be mastered, few have done this work, so they suffer it...

[Someone here]

21 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

One can go the suffering route and it maybe makes one want to change and try Spiritual practices, but it is a very very dangerous route and I would say in my experience and understanding in this day and age most ppl do not get to higher Potential in life via Suffering, and if You are at a higher potential in life already Suffering becomes less possible, if You suffer in any way, other than a physical injury or disease which I would say is more pain related than Suffering there is a difference, then You are less intouch with Truth and higher Potential, is just not possible...

For ppl with "good" things happening in their life, things are going along well, health and finances are good, family is good, then what happens is they strive for more, that is the Desiring Process, You always want to be more than what You are right now.. Via this method it is a much safer method, first You establish Peace, Balance, Harmony, Your stable in all areas then  You can go for more Potential to come into Your Life, and be good with it. not go backwards steps and such...

 

As long as you believe you are a human being and you are part of the earth then you do have many shitty days coming along your way and lessons to learn. Because as you like to say Karma exists .look at your own life . you are a grown ass man ..married..have a family and stable life .are you happy ? I mean REALLY happy ?.. Do you still suffer as soon as you give up the idea of your humanhood and start investigating the truth..that you were never born and you never die..until that time you will appear to suffer. Suffering is one side of the coin called life .its inevitable. Therefore a wise man seeks to discover who he is and become free from Suffering and have unconditional happiness. If such a thing even exists .

 

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

As long as you believe you are a human being and you are part of the earth then you do have many shitty days coming along your way and lessons to learn. Because as you like to say Karma exists .look at your own life . you are a grown ass man ..married..have a family and stable life .are you happy ? I mean REALLY happy ?.. Do you still suffer as soon as you give up the idea of your humanhood and start investigating the truth..that you were never born and you never die..until that time you will appear to suffer. Suffering is one side of the coin called life .its inevitable. Therefore a wise man seeks to discover who he is and become free from Suffering and have unconditional happiness. If such a thing even exists .

 

We are here as Humans, with Bodies and Minds to Use in this sort of Life (Life to me is Absolute Realized, Embodied and with Experiences, so Absolute can know itself, otherwise its just a Potential and Possibility realm with no way to express or experience), so we can live on many sorts of levels, Enlightenment while here and Embodied is the highest level, if Your in that sort of State and Experience, then there is no more Suffering for You, pain yes, you will feel it when You stub Your toe, or lose a luv'd one personal to your social circle, but You won't Suffer it, so there is a difference there, but in the end none of this is what we are, so when we realize this, then we go thru it untouched, transparent, we experience everything absolutely, very intensely and totally involved but untouched by it because we determine within ourselves how to Experience it...

The point of the post and video is the process of it, ppl want to experience more in their lives, to be more of than what they are right now, when that happens they choose unconsciously a Suffering route, this is no good, they can choose a better route that is more stable and empowering, suffering route most do not reach their potential and drop off the path...

Edited April 13 by Ishanga

[Princess Arabia]

There's no way around suffering if one identifies as a human. It comes with the territory. Trying to master the self in this aspect, only perpetrates the suffering and confirms that one suffers. Same as trying to find happiness. Only confirms that one is unhappy. The seeker seeks. That's what it does. Seeking the end of suffering is still living in the future via imagination, as you put it. Life does what it wants, when it wants. Stifling yourself to try and not feel emotions that are arising because of spontaneous responses is only perpetrating the suffering and keeping you from being present. Even though you're always present, the effects in the mind won't feel like that and will just create confusion. Confused as to why these feelings are arising. I suggest we just see suffering as another energetic spontaneous arising that may or may not prolong the effects depending on how one looks at the suffering.

The person that sees it as them being human and that's a function of that energy will have a better relationship with that suffering than one who is trying to master and manipulate the spontaneity of feelings that are arising on their own and what we've identified with as a function of the perceived separate self. That self sees everything that arises within it's perception in relation to itself and it owns everything including that suffering - it cannot help it. Trying to master suffering is like trying to master the rain. It falls when the conditions arises for it do so. Changing your conditions and environment is what's needed, not trying to master feelings into being in the now. There's no other place to be, even via imagination, because that's also happening now.

[Ishanga]

10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There's no way around suffering if one identifies as a human. It comes with the territory. Trying to master the self in this aspect, only perpetrates the suffering and confirms that one suffers. Same as trying to find happiness. Only confirms that one is unhappy. The seeker seeks. That's what it does. Seeking the end of suffering is still living in the future via imagination, as you put it. Life does what it wants, when it wants. Stifling yourself to try and not feel emotions that are arising because of spontaneous responses is only perpetrating the suffering and keeping you from being present. Even though you're always present, the effects in the mind won't feel like that and will just create confusion. Confused as to why these feelings are arising. I suggest we just see suffering as another energetic spontaneous arising that may or may not prolong the effects depending on how one looks at the suffering.

The person that sees it as them being human and that's a function of that energy will have a better relationship with that suffering than one who is trying to master and manipulate the spontaneity of feelings that are arising on their own and what we've identified with as a function of the perceived separate self. That self sees everything that arises within it's perception in relation to itself and it owns everything including that suffering - it cannot help it. Trying to master suffering is like trying to master the rain. It falls when the conditions arises for it do so. Changing your conditions and environment is what's needed, not trying to master feelings into being in the now. There's no other place to be, even via imagination, because that's also happening now.

Yes, the identity is that of the Cosmos, I am Everything, but this is hard to do today, so the minimum is identifying as a Human which means I am an aspect of Life, that has Free Will, high Consciousness capability and can live way beyond Accumulating and Gathering of People, Places and Things as a means to Survive another day, as does most every other life form on this planet, the question then is what does that Look Like, what does that mean as an expression of Life and for Me? It means BEINGNESS comes first, first I am established in BEINGNESS, I now the Reality as it Is, I have Clarity, I see clearly what it is, like I see clearly I have 5 fingers on each hand, its not a belief, but a Knowing, so once that is established, no Suffering is possible, Peace/Bliss is there naturally, if You want to be Ecstatic You can at Will!

[Breakingthewall]

People get into spirituality to find immortality, and most end up in religion, only they don't know it, because they are so willing to believe something that will save them from death that they do it and think they have seen the light.