Insights on insanity.

[Majed]

Infinite relativism leads to insanity. God is infinite relativism. God is the sum of all minds that exists. Which is what a wise mind understands. Hence wisdom is insanity. And God is insanity. 
Normal minds work monolithically: you’re either a muslim, or a jew, or an atheist, or a buddhist, or a christian... madness which is God is all of these minds at once, which is nothing. The point of philosophy, is to deconstruct the mind from its metaphysical baggage to reach God’s consciousness which is insanity, wisdom and. nothingness. 
When diving into the mind you have to take into account how insane minds work, psychopathic minds, schizophrenic minds... Under materialism the brain is just going insane, under idealism, the mind is infinity, hence every mental illness is a manifestation of this infinity.

And here’s the genius of all this: love is insanity. Elaborating upon it will take from you the juice of discovering why for yourself through contemplation. But here’s how it works: love is a radical thing. Basically everything is love, including “evil” things this is what infinite love means. If infinite love exists, which it does simply because why would God create anything else, if God created anything else than infinite love, it wouldn’t be God who had created it. To create anything is to create out of love, notice creating heaven is a creation out of love, you’re already in heaven, but what you haven’t noticed is that genocide, war, murder, rape, mental ilness... are all part of heaven. This is the magic of God. Because all these things are love, and to love all these things is insanity, however without love none of these things could exist. Because love is existence, which is God and insanity.

Edited April 13 by Majed

[Someone here]

 True . Although a bit just imitating leo but still true .

Sanity is an illusion. Everyone are insane deep down but they cover it with hypocrisy and kissing people's asses to just survive and fit in society and not end up in insane asylum. 

[Ishanga]

33 minutes ago, Majed said:

Infinite relativism leads to insanity. God is infinite relativism. God is the sum of all minds that exists. Which is what a wise mind understands. Hence wisdom is insanity. And God is insanity. 
Normal minds work monolithically: you’re either a muslim, or a jew, or an atheist, or a buddhist, or a christian... madness which is God is all of these minds at once, which is nothing. The point of philosophy, is to deconstruct the mind from its metaphysical baggage to reach God’s consciousness which is insanity, wisdom and. nothingness. 
When diving into the mind you have to take into account how insane minds work, psychopathic minds, schizophrenic minds... Under materialism the brain is just going insane, under idealism, the mind is infinity, hence every mental illness is a manifestation of this infinity.

And here’s the genius of all this: love is insanity. Elaborating upon it will take from you the juice of discovering why for yourself through contemplation. But here’s how it works: love is a radical thing. Basically everything is love, including “evil” things this is what infinite love means. If infinite love exists, which it does simply because why would God create anything else, if God created anything else than infinite love, it wouldn’t be God who had created it. To create anything is to create out of love, notice creating heaven is a creation out of love, you’re already in heaven, but what you haven’t noticed is that genocide, war, murder, rape, mental ilness... are all part of heaven. This is the magic of God. Because all these things are love, and to love all these things is insanity, however without love none of these things could exist. Because love is existence, which is God and insanity.

Love is not Evil, Evil is the opposite of Love, Love is Inclusion, Evil is Exclusion, so they are not the same, and Love is not what the Existence is, Love is simply a Human Emotion, but because ppl lack in Love so much they think it is Divine, people think whatever it is that they are lacking in is something more than what it is, this is not So.  There is no entity out there Loving You or wanting You to be more than what You are right now, or Successful or Happy or Health, this choice of being these things was given to You at Birth, You just have to realize it! If you do not Realize it, then You look elsewhere for it, and that is why one continues to Suffer!

[Aaron p]

Be aware that there are distinct traits of the correct ways to go insane and the incorrect ways. 

Be careful with this. This is way more advanced than what a lot of us even realise 

[gettoefl]

Yes you are on to something. They're not however part of but apart from God. I imagined them beyond the God realm for my own fantastical satisfaction. I wanted to muse on insanity since the sane realm is well covered. It's akin to God getting up one morning and deciding he wants to try his hand at fiction as all he has ever entertained in non-fiction. Let's see where this leads. I am God but I don't want to spoil it by reading the last chapter.

[Breakingthewall]

Insanity is a mental illness that prevents you from objectively processing information. To a greater or lesser extent, almost everyone is crazy; it's a matter of degree.

[Salvijus]

If God is insane, then insanity is the new sanity and therefor, God is sanity. It's impossible to label the truth of reality as insane because truth is our standard for what we call sanity. And deviation from truth/God is what we call insanity. 

Edited April 13 by Salvijus

[Someone here]

@Salvijus 1+1×2^5 =tomato soup.

Insanity is everything and everywhere ready to be unleashed. Only your ego aka devil is suppressing it .if you are not conscious of how crazy you are ..then what good is your awakening? See its very easy to ruin your mind with a dynamite. Cause your sanity is a house of cards .

Edited April 13 by Someone here

[Judy2]

it kind of seems like we all need to agree on a definition of insanity before we start debating its existential significance...

insanity as the opposite of sanity would be an obvious one, but conventionally speaking, what we mean when we talk about insanity is less about a lack of health and more about mental flexibility or malleability (or i guess rigidity but in favour of a view on reality that is unconventional when compared to the rest of society?)- which can certainly go hand in hand with suffering and a lack of emotional health, but it could also be an expression of creativity and freedom from imaginary restrictions that socitey and culture conventionally impose upon "reality". in that case, insanity is associated with breaking free from limitations imagined to be real by the cultural status quo.

of course any given culture or society likes to think of its status quo as "sanity" and quickly explain away all deviations as "insanity". 

labelling a person or a specific behavioural pattern as "insane" (=evil, deviant, unnatural) is a neat way to quickly dismiss and explain away, rather than explain, understand, or inquire into the causes and motivating factors of said pattern.

Edited April 13 by Judy2

[Someone here]

@Judy2 brilliant .

now take off the sane mask you've been wearing your whole life  and go dance randomly in the bathroom. 

[Salvijus]

10 hours ago, Someone here said:

1+1×2^5 =tomato soup

What I've said wasn't so complicated. 

Truth of reality/God = normal 

Deviation from reality/God = abnormal. 

There's no way to call truth/God abnormal because truth is the standard to define normality. 

Edited April 14 by Salvijus

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, Judy2 said:

it kind of seems like we all need to agree on a definition of insanity before we start debating its existential significance...

insanity as the opposite of sanity would be an obvious one, but conventionally speaking, what we mean when we talk about insanity is less about a lack of health and more about mental flexibility or malleability (or i guess rigidity but in favour of a view on reality that is unconventional when compared to the rest of society?)- which can certainly go hand in hand with suffering and a lack of emotional health, but it could also be an expression of creativity and freedom from imaginary restrictions that socitey and culture conventionally impose upon "reality". in that case, insanity is associated with breaking free from limitations imagined to be real by the cultural status quo.

of course any given culture or society likes to think of its status quo as "sanity" and quickly explain away all deviations as "insanity". 

labelling a person or a specific behavioural pattern as "insane" (=evil, deviant, unnatural) is a neat way to quickly dismiss and explain away, rather than explain, understand, or inquire into the causes and motivating factors of said pattern.

We can't consider it crazy to think that 8,000 virgins have to be sacrificed by ripping out their hearts so that the sun doesn't devour the Earth. We could call it stupidity, although of course, if you see some guys doing the job it seems pretty crazy.

But that's not what insanity is; it's an attitude of the mind that involves intentionally, albeit subconsciously, distancing oneself from reality. I mean, if everyone thinks about killing virgins, well, who knows, maybe that's true. But if you have the need to think that you've been sent from planet X to exterminate redheads, and your need to think that is such that you hear messages and see aliens saying: kill redheads, since this structure will save you from total collapse, then we could say that you're crazy.

[Someone here]

@Salvijus I understand what you said . It seems like my point just flew over your head . I was trying to show you that logic itself isn't an absolute metric .you used logic to conclude something. I'm saying logic itself is a house of cards .rationality is a house of cards . Is logic an absolute?  Logic depends on language for example. And language depends on meaning .and meaning is obviously relative and arbitrary .because these symbols or words don't mean something to the universe as it were .it just registers into your mind because you understand the English language. For a Chinese person who doesn't understand English there is no difference between what you're saying and blah blah blah .

Now how does this connect to insanity is that people try to ground reality into something. In your case logic and rationality. But when everything is relative including logic and rationality..then reality isn't groundable. 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Now how does this connect to insanity is that people try to ground reality into something. In your case logic and rationality. But when everything is relative including logic and rationality..then reality isn't groundable. 

If what you say makes sense, then you've just grounded reality into logic yourself. Nice move. 

I think rationality and truth are synonymous, that would make rationality absolute, yea. 

Edited April 14 by Salvijus

[Someone here]

18 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

If what you say makes sense, then you've just grounded reality into logic yourself. Nice move

How so ? I have to use your own paradigm to talk to you .otherwise the conversation will be just meaningless . I'm using logic to defeat logic .again it seems like you don't get it .

21 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I think rationality and truth are synonymous, that would make rationality absolute, yea. 

Lol.

[Salvijus]

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

How so ?

You've made a logical argument that reality cannot be grounded into logic. So you've ended up with a logical conclusion still. Just like me. You criticize me for making sense and then do the same thing. 

Edited April 14 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Lol

Rationality is our metric that determines if we are in alignment with truth or in deviation from truth. So it's as consistent as truth itself. So yea. 

[Judy2]

@Breakingthewall I don't understand the example you give, but I like this definition:

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 it's an attitude of the mind that involves intentionally, albeit subconsciously, distancing oneself from reality.

I was just trying to point out the need to further define insanity and brainstormed some suggestions, so by no means am I saying that the definition I came up with is the right or absolute one.  What I said about insanity was based on a cultural/historical framework, but what you're saying seems logical and more universal than what I came up with yesterday.

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

You've made a logical argument that reality cannot be grounded into logic. So you've end up with a logical conclusion still. Just like me. You criticize me for making sense and then do the same thing. 

Boy I told you I'm using logic to show you the limits of logic .its called going meta .just like I can use language to show you that language is not absolutely meaningful. Do you understand that this post means nothing to a kangaroo?  Yes you do obviously. Yet it makes sense to you (makes sense doesn't mean you agree with it ..it just means you understand it). So here ..I used language to show you the limits of language. Stop pretending you still don't get it or I'm gonna wish ya good luck and sweet candy .

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Boy I told you I'm using logic to show you the limits of logic .its called going meta .just like I can use language to show you that language is not absolutely meaningful. Do you understand that this post means nothing to a kangaroo?  Yes you do obviously. Yet it makes sense to you (makes sense doesn't mean you agree with it ..it just means you understand it). So here ..I used language to show you the limits of language. Stop pretending you still don't get it or I'm gonna wish ya good luck and sweet candy .

Your point about logic being limited is valid. Yet as a critism for my previous comments on God it has no impact.