Enlightenment fixation missing Truth/Understanding

[gettoefl]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

And? He already did? Or maybe he needs more exploration? If its infinite it will never fully explore itself (aka understanding), then he could stop right now if the reason is that 

If God can do then God will do. Because why not. If you say God can't have a dual outlet, you will be limiting God. Dual has some inherent fun as anyone can attest.

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

If God can do then God will do. Because why not. If you say God can't have a dual outlet, you will be limiting God. Dual has some inherent fun as anyone can attest.

Yes reality fully understands itself: it is. That's the absolute understanding and everything is in it. But when we talk about understanding we mean things like: reality is a mind that is imagining. This is relative understanding, it's inside of the absolute reality, then it's just relative. 

[vibv]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes reality fully understands itself: it is. That's the absolute understanding and everything is in it. But when we talk about understanding we mean things like: reality is a mind that is imagining. This is relative understanding, it's inside of the absolute reality, then it's just relative. 

Do you really understand reality? If not, God doesn't. Maybe God knows itself, but it has to EXPERIENCE itself to REALLY understand itself — because else it remains dead knowledge, which is no knowledge at all in the end.

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[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, vibv said:

Do you really understand reality? If not, God doesn't. Maybe God knows itself, but it has to EXPERIENCE itself to REALLY understand itself — because else it remains dead knowledge, which is no knowledge at all in the end.

Maybe it's not that reality has to experience to understand itself, but that the potential of reality is absolute then perception happens and that's it. Because "has to" implies limits, same like doing things for a reason, or arriving to something 

Sorry for being smartass but I'm just pointing the implications of the absence of limits that's inevitable 

Edited April 12 by Breakingthewall

[vibv]

34 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe it's not that reality has to experience to understand itself, but that the potential of reality is absolute then perception happens and that's it. Because "has to" implies limits, same like doing things for a reason, or arriving to something 

Sorry for being smartass but I'm just pointing the implications of the absence of limits that's inevitable 

It is the Divine Will. Whyever that may be the case.

Perception doesn't "just" happen. It is never "just". It is always Absolute. Perception is Absolute. Evolution is Absolute. Life is Absolute. This experience is Absolute. It is absolutely the case, that the Absolute explores itself through relative experience. Because it must be so. Otherwise those two were separated from each other.

The relative and the Absolute can't be separated from each other — they complete each other so to speak. And that's why EVOLUTION happens. This is an aspect of the Divine. Whyever that is — you could ask the same about Love, Intelligence, Consciousness, and so on. But it remains an Absolute Mistery — that absolutely explores itself in all its variation through infinity and beyond. THIS IS LOVE. Can't you see?

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[Breakingthewall]

21 minutes ago, vibv said:

. It is absolutely the case, that the Absolute explores itself through relative experience. Because it must be so. Otherwise those two were separated from each other.

Sure but why is that happening?  "explore" suggests the intention to reach a place or understand something. Where can infinity go? What intention could it possibly have? Any intention is limited, it's finite. It would have already arrived infinite times; there's nowhere to go, no possible intention; it's just the flow of infinite being developing cyclically. It can't be anything else, it's absolutely impossible due the nature of the absence of limitations, it just is, and being encompasses everything, including the intention of exploring, but that intention is just a relative arising in the absolute, another relative manifestation that arrives nowhere, like my will about gain money or anything else relative 

[vibv]

@Breakingthewall It is developing into all eternity, because it is INFINITE.

But it is of course cyclical AS WELL. Because it doesn't contradict itself.

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[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, vibv said:

@Breakingthewall It is developing into all eternity, because it is INFINITE.

But it is of course cyclical AS WELL. Because it doesn't contradict itself.

It has to be absolutely totally developed always. We can't make a mental picture, it's impossible, but reality must always be infinitely expanded. It has no beginning, therefore no progression. Infinity cannot be understood; it's impossible, since understanding is a mental scheme that is made with limits. However, you can deduce that the development of form is always complete, but given the inherent instability of something unlimited, it flows eternally. This, now, is this flow. What we can't do is open ourselves to its nature and realize that despite the form, always the absolute is and we are that. 

[vibv]

@Breakingthewall It is in the magical process of EVOLUTION. No — it IS that process. You see? It must be so. How else could it be?

It is amazing and breathtaking. It is the Ultimate Wonder. Weltwunder.

It is always already finished because EVOLUTION is the highest there is. That's why it is alive. It couldn't be alive otherwise.

LIFE is EVOLUTION.

Infinite, Eternal, Evolution. If you understood this full you could do nothing but cry.

It can't ever be done.

Intelligence is a process. That's why in the moment you stop becoming more intelligent you have already become dull. To strive for more intelligence IS intelligence.

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[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, vibv said:

LIFE is EVOLUTION

2 hours ago, vibv said:

@Breakingthewall 

You are talking about a dimension of existence that we call life that you know, but maybe there are another infinite dimensions of existence that you literally can't imagine. 

Anyway, Considering this concrete dimension called life, which evolves from the basic to the complex through competition, it's not so astonishing; it's a simple survival program that adapts to the environment and competes for resources. It's no more astonishing than the formation of molecules or the fabric of spacetime.

Everything in reality is extremely complex and perfect, synchronized and balanced to infinity. If reality is infinite, any partition of reality is total infinity. If something, let's say an atom, is stable, this means it contains infinity in perfect synchrony, moving like a perfect mechanism within it.

Seeing this, nothing impresses anymore. Everything is absolutely perfect, since the slightest lack of synchrony would mean infinite asynchrony, and that reality could not manifest itself.

Do you understand the normality of infinite perfection? It's the most normal, since absolutely everything that exists is like this.

[vibv]

10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you understand the normality of infinite perfection? It's the most normal, since absolutely everything that exists is like this.

Everything is Magic. But that doesn't make it any less magical. If you think it's nothing special you're not in contact with Existence. Look into the eyes of a child laughing in joy — they still feel the magic. And so could you.

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, vibv said:

Everything is Magic. But that doesn't make it any less magical. If you think it's nothing special you're not in contact with Existence. Look into the eyes of a child laughing in joy — they still feel the magic. And so could you.

If you want, I can say: Look, friend, every morning I cry watching the sunrise, and I assure you I cry more than anyone. And then I go to the park to watch the children and continue crying for three or four hours every single day. But where does that lead us?  It's a conversation that point to understanding, the ego should be left out. 

[vibv]

39 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 It's a conversation that point to understanding, the ego should be left out. 

Those are inextricably interwoven