God vs Devil

[Anton Rogachevski]

If everything is presumably God, how can the devil exist? Is the devil also all powerful in his deception? Then how can an enlightened person so self assuredly claim that he so easily overcame this all powerful deception?

How does he know for certain that it's not just another trick by the devil that made him think that he's "god" and that now he knows everything?

Does Enlightenment remove all doubt from the system?

Edited Saturday at 07:57 AM by Anton Rogachevski

[Breakingthewall]

When, in the primordial ocean filled with photosynthetic bacteria, some of them join together to form a larger organism so they can kill the others and steal their life force, is the devil who came up with that idea. Without devil there is not complex life. 

Edited Saturday at 10:36 AM by Breakingthewall

[Hojo]

Enlightenment is seeing the devil and its you. If you are the devil God is real. If God was the simulation the devil is the player. Right now you are kicked out of the simulation looking at it playing it. Reality is the devil and God playing together. Nothing else. The devil isn't evil its just people are scared of it so they say its evil. Its fear.

Every single conscious person is kicked out of the simulation and being allowed to participate instead of be the simulation. God created a 'character' and named it nothing and kicked it out of the simulation to play in it. Thays why we can reference nothing even tho it dosent exist in the simulation while you are playing it.

Enlightenment will remove all doubts about god being real but nothing else your mind is still fked the same as before.

Edited Saturday at 11:24 PM by Hojo

[Santiago Ram]

The devil Is so fucking powerful that if you dont take extreme measures, you will never reach permanent God realization.

[Breakingthewall]

The devil is a horrible son of a bitch, but without it there is no life. Life needs evil; it's full of evil. A spider's web is evil, and a fishing net is pure evil. Have you ever killed animals? Don't you feel the evil of doing so? And enslave them? And enslave humans? Maybe hate your child because your wife loves him more than you and try to destroy him? Maybe pollute the seas and fill them with garbage because we want things? Destroy ancient trees? Anything goes, no problem. Create an apocalypse, besiege Stalingrad and kill millions. Cannibalism, rape, murder, torture. It's all part of life. 

[Anton Rogachevski]

19 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

When, in the primordial ocean filled with photosynthetic bacteria, some of them join together to form a larger organism so they can kill the others and steal their life force, is the devil who came up with that idea. Without devil there is not complex life. 

How do you know that?

[Anton Rogachevski]

@Santiago Ram @Hojo

My question is the same. How do you know that? How certain are you? 

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

How do you know that?

I know that just because I call "devil" the tendency of life to compete. Compete means that one is going to loose, and loose means death. Ask this to uncle Vlad 

 

Edited yesterday at 09:49 AM by Breakingthewall

[Anton Rogachevski]

@Breakingthewall

So where's God in your conception? How does he interact or relate to what you call "devilliry". My question was ontological in nature not theoretical or metaphorical.

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

@Breakingthewall

So where's God in your conception? How does he interact or relate to what you call "devilliry". My question was ontological in nature not theoretical or metaphorical.

God is the reality right? Then the devil is part of the reality. Ying and yang, creation and inevitable destruction. It's hard to accept a guy who impaled mothers and their babies on top of them, but that's the reality.

[gettoefl]

You are the only devil who ever lived. When you carry out bad actions, that is devilry at work. When you do good, you are but feathering your own nest. Why are you hording money in the bank, stockpiling food in your garage and piling up clothes in wardrobes. There is people who need your wealth. You are the only devil. You will call yourself a good person and never admit how bad you are. Lies, corruption, deception, hypocrisy. I could ramble on and on. Nobody is as bad as you if only people realised. Why not just admit it and live for something that matters. Never too late to get right.

[Hojo]

@Anton Rogachevski my body had a biological reaction to seeing it. The cells in your body do something that they have never done before and the reaction your body has when you see it is unknown and foreign to any other experience.

Edited yesterday at 12:57 PM by Hojo

[Schizophonia]

I would say "Devil" is the limits; The maya in general.

Gnosticism has a curiously similar history, with a true god and the "false god" known as the "demiurge" made of limits.
Something like that.

[Anton Rogachevski]

20 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I would say "Devil" is the limits; The maya in general.

Gnosticism has a curiously similar history, with a true god and the "false god" known as the "demiurge" made of limits.
Something like that.

Finally something that starts to make sense! Thank you for your reply.

[Someone here]

Its simple ...God is the devil .

This is where stage blue folks go bananas when they hear .

[Anton Rogachevski]

@Someone here

So how are they different? Isn't that a meaningless statement then? Like 1=1?

[Someone here]

@Anton Rogachevski in truth there is neither a god nor a devil .both are metaphorical. Its a metaphore for the eternal fight between You and you .

[Anton Rogachevski]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Anton Rogachevski in truth there is neither a god nor a devil .both are metaphorical. Its a metaphore for the eternal fight between You and you .

How can I trust I not to deceive me? How can I know anything at all, or could it be just pure mind fiction? I guess even logic is showing us it's a complete  and endless hallucination.

[Someone here]

@Anton Rogachevski 

9 minutes ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

How can I know anything at all

This is a deep question. Like as deep as it gets .it requires writing walls of text . I suggest researching epistemology..Epistemology is a subfield in philosophy concerned with the question of how do we know stuff . Like should we use the senses or intellect or both or neither ..etc

Generally I would say to be epistemically rigorous :

1-nothing is obvious.

2-nothing should be taken for granted. 

3- everything is under a sharp razor of investigation..and if something is not true or doesn't make sense then it can suck my nuts. 

Edited yesterday at 03:01 PM by Someone here

[Anton Rogachevski]

@Someone here

I guess the deeper meta question is should we also deconstruct skepticism, and if we should then how can it be done? 

It seems as though I'm trying to skip epistemology all together and just focus on ontology. Does ontology need an epistemic basis?

Edited yesterday at 03:14 PM by Anton Rogachevski